Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[Qwijibo]

A lot of people sleeping on Wolf. What he's doing as a rookie keeper is pretty tough to ignore

 

[eramosat]

it should be a very very very close vote, according to the season thus far. Two forwards and a dee having reasonably similar seasons for poor teams, with one stat pulls ahead equals one stat lags behind in equal measures. And a goalie who can charm any voter.

Not worth betting on at all.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Michkov’s back?

There you go.

Best Calder race ever.

I doubt he's back. With 16 games in March it's going to be tough for him to keep going. It's impossible to fix conditioning problems during season.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

And Hutson is pretty bad defensively, -17 rating too

>using plus/minus to argue about defensive acumen

Oh no no no

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Michkov attempting to one up Celebrini in OT. Rather than just getting absolutely walked he abandons his man and ends up chasing the puck into his own net.

Damn I love Michkov but no idea where he was going on that one. Stick drift?

 

[GrkFlyersFan]

For anyone reading this in the future the tear has been 2 games so let's see what happens going forward.

2 more goals tonight! He's got no chance!

 

[ViD]

finally back to normal

 

[sbhnur]

I doubt he's back. With 16 games in March it's going to be tough for him to keep going. It's impossible to fix conditioning problems during season.

Shows how special he is. This guy is pure skill and so much fun to watch.
He needs to learn a lot of lesson, but when his stamina and skating is at NHL level the sky is the limit for this kid. Amazing player!

 

[Star Platinum]

I've all but conceded as a Habs fan that Celebrini is gonna win it this year. Not because Hutson isn't awesome rather Celebrini is just that good.

One thing that's a little unfair about Rookie of the Year type races is that people really want the #1 pick to win them, even if it's not clear cut.

Tonight, not one of Celebrini's better games.

 

[Star Platinum]

I like how some tribalist fans need to hate on other prospects to bring up their own player. Habs fan here and not a shred of doubt in my mind that Celebrini is like Barkov 2.0.

IMO it should be between Celebrini and Hutson as both have been catalysts for their team and have been consistent.

It would be nice to have a reasonable conversation across fanbases, but unfortunately that just can't happen

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

finally back to normal

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Only needs a 10 games played and positional advantage.

Mark me down as another Habs fan that’s saying it’s going to celebrini. Hes the man

 

[wetcoast]

Toffoli, Eklund, Zetterlund are better than any Flyers forward but TK and maybe Tippett. And don't forget they had Granlund for most of the season.

This post does help explain your talent evaluations at times.

 

[Kshahdoo]

This post does help explain your talent evaluations at times.

Or maybe it helps to understand your bias...

 

[wetcoast]

Or maybe it helps to understand your bias...

Exactly what bias are you talking about you don't even know me.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Exactly what bias are you talking about you don't even know me.

I know your posts, though...

 

[Leafshater67]

Dustin Wolf is playing out of his mind. He’s carrying a mid team to the playoffs

 

[Jabba11]

Living in Philly, I've seen Michkov play in person 3 times this year.
Being from Montreal, I've seen Lane Hutson play in person once but watched all of the Habs games this year.
Being a hockey fan, I've seen Celebrini play agianst the Habs twice and his highlights.

All 3 are insanely good and will be stars in this league for their respective team. But as of this year, only one of them has been a constant menace everytime he is on the ice. And that's Macklin Celebrini. Period

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Agree love Hutson hes having a great season but Celebrini deserves the Calder

 

[FlyguyOX]

And he does. Though he wasn't even the PP1 QB until like December.

Coming into tonight:

Celebrini 2.03 p/60
Michkov 1.90 p/60

Besides, they weren't gloating about Michkov having the highest p/60 among rookies
And he's well behind guys like Soderblom (2.40) and LDBB (2.26) anyways.

He's been passable for a while now. He was terrible through the first 2 months of the season though.

I think pts/60 is useful context because torts isn’t giving him the bedard treatment of 20+ a night regardless of any defensive deficiency, he’s actually trying to grow his game.

Plus keep getting the points per game argument, so if you want a scoring rate as a barometer then let’s get the most accurate scoring rate

 

[FlyguyOX]

Your back from your trip in the jungle ?

Sorry, what? Is this a racist trope?

 

[bobholly39]

Only needs a 10 games played and positional advantage.

Mark me down as another Habs fan that’s saying it’s going to celebrini. Hes the man

Living in Philly, I've seen Michkov play in person 3 times this year.
Being from Montreal, I've seen Lane Hutson play in person once but watched all of the Habs games this year.
Being a hockey fan, I've seen Celebrini play agianst the Habs twice and his highlights.

All 3 are insanely good and will be stars in this league for their respective team. But as of this year, only one of them has been a constant menace everytime he is on the ice. And that's Macklin Celebrini. Period

Agree love Hutson hes having a great season but Celebrini deserves the Calder

I figured I'd respond to my 3 fellow Habs fans who are all choosing Celebrini. I wouldn't be so quick to overlook Hutson, especially with Montreal's successes.

First 21 games - Hutson 11 points, pace of 43 points in 82 games. Habs are dead last in East, at the important milestone date of US Thanksgiving, which is when experts usually "call" seasons and playoff races.

Next 37 games - Huston 32 points, pace of 71 points in 82 games. Habs with the 13th best record in the NHL in that stretch, and back in the playoff hunt. In those 37 games, he is 4th in scoring among defenseman in the league.

I think it's a lot easier to tie team success in Montreal with Hutson's performances than it is for Celebrini, and I think that could come into play by season's end, especially with Celebrini also missing ~10 games or so.

I do agree that all 3 players are fantastic, and it's also still possible for any of them to go "off" in the remaining 20 games. But I do think if season ended today, Hutson remains in the lead. And I think if Montral qualifies for playoffs, or even comes super close to it - it will just help boost Huston's chances further.

 

[Jabba11]

I figured I'd respond to my 3 fellow Habs fans who are all choosing Celebrini. I wouldn't be so quick to overlook Hutson, especially with Montreal's successes.

First 21 games - Hutson 11 points, pace of 43 points in 82 games. Habs are dead last in East, at the important milestone date of US Thanksgiving, which is when experts usually "call" seasons and playoff races.

Next 37 games - Huston 32 points, pace of 71 points in 82 games. Habs with the 13th best record in the NHL in that stretch, and back in the playoff hunt. In those 37 games, he is 4th in scoring among defenseman in the league.

I think it's a lot easier to tie team success in Montreal with Hutson's performances than it is for Celebrini, and I think that could come into play by season's end, especially with Celebrini also missing ~10 games or so.

I do agree that all 3 players are fantastic, and it's also still possible for any of them to go "off" in the remaining 20 games. But I do think if season ended today, Hutson remains in the lead. And I think if Montral qualifies for playoffs, or even comes super close to it - it will just help boost Huston's chances further.

It's called reverse jinx!

Sheez..

Just kidding. Fair point you've made there. I just think that the media/writer's association seem to already have made their mind on Celebrini because of his 2-way play for the Sharks as an 18 years old. It's definitely true that Lane's impact on Montreal success has been obvious. He has dynamize our offense and powerplay. It'll be intereting to see how the rest of the season and Calder race goes. Including Wolf too

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think pts/60 is useful context because torts isn’t giving him the bedard treatment of 20+ a night regardless of any defensive deficiency, he’s actually trying to grow his game.

Plus keep getting the points per game argument, so if you want a scoring rate as a barometer then let’s get the most accurate scoring rate

All situations p/60 is not the most accurate.

Celebrini
1.98 p/60
1.73 p1/60

Michkov
2.04 p/60
1.36 p1/60

Michkov gets less minutes but also gets easier matchups as a result. Celebrini has very clearly been the better player this year.

 

[FlyguyOX]

All situations p/60 is not the most accurate.

Celebrini
1.98 p/60
1.73 p1/60

Michkov
2.04 p/60
1.36 p1/60

Michkov gets less minutes but also gets easier matchups as a result. Celebrini has very clearly been the better player this year.

Why is all situations not the most accurate?

Celebrini is one of the best rookies of the past few years for sure, but for argument sake it's still interesting to consider data points like these.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Why is all situations not the most accurate?

Celebrini is one of the best rookies of the past few years for sure, but for argument sake it's still interesting to consider data points like these.

Celebrini does so much more out there than Michkov does , why ignore that? Even if points and ppg are equal Celebrini will clear him