Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[Star Platinum]

32 GAs at 5v5 in about 600 minutes of play isn't what I'd call a great ''two way game'' yet. Excellent offensive player, yes. But don't call him something he isn't yet.

He competes hard and he's pretty good in puck battles, but he's still a rookie and misses some stuff. Has the right attitude.

Hes not the only one on the ice, out of those 600 minutes do you care to tell me who the linemates were? Very interested as he has been placed with bottom tier 3rd/4th liners at this point. Anyone who consistently watches him wouldnt say such things. i didnt call him a Selke candidate, but it is much more then your stats say. He makes a few great defense plays every game. too say he isnt a good 2 way player already is foolish, and tells me you havent watched a lot of him.

Hey, they're not that bad. Most of his minutes lately have been with Eklund, who was the 7th pick a few drafts back.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

I sometimes revisit this thread and have to wonder, how many of your dogs did Celebrini kill? The dismissiveness of his play this season is bordering insanity.

How many of them actually seen him play? East Coast bias strikes once again

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Devils played the Flyers 3x over the last ten days and I hardly noticed Michkov

 

[ellja3]

Devils played the Flyers 3x over the last ten days and I hardly noticed Michkov

He has had a noticeable drop-off lately. There's flashes of brilliance and micro-stats are also good + lots of wasted chances from his feeds, but yeah, he has certainly been less noticeable in general. Despite certain... opinions & hating from Flyers fans re: Torts and his MM deployment, I genuinely think it's a matter of adjustment to so many games/intensity. IIRC he has already played more games at this point than at any point in his career in entire season. Having said that, having witnessed his current peak (beginning of the season when he was genuinely amazing each game and making stuff happen on each shift), I am 100% sure there will eventually be turnaround compared to what we see now (in January).

 

[wetcoast]

Devils played the Flyers 3x over the last ten days and I hardly noticed Michkov

It's a long season for the 3 position players in the top 4 of the calder race this year as they aren't used to the grind and Michkov does have Torts to contend with but he is on pace for just under what I expected pointwise.

Guhle will miss some time and it will be interesting to see how Montreal shuffles their back end and how it affects Hutson.

 

[Fraser28]

Hutson cooling off too. 0 points in last 4 games and -5. So hard to predict who will win it.

I do continue to think it’ll be Celebrini though.

 

[Rubi]

Wolf, after having a couple of difficult games against the Wild (.840 Sv%) and Caps (.870 Sv%), rebounded tonight against the Ducks (.968 Sv%).

 

[karltonian]

Celebrini is still doing his thing but the team has more or less folded around him.

 

[Shark Finn]

Celebrini is still doing his thing but the team has more or less folded around him.

I think it is highly generous to call that bunch of players a team.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I sometimes revisit this thread and have to wonder, how many of your dogs did Celebrini kill? The dismissiveness of his play this season is bordering insanity.

I don’t see anyone dismissing his play, but it does seem like you’re dismissing the seasons Hutson, wolf and michkov have been having

No clear cut leader right now, all 4 kids going though the ebbs and flows of being a rookie in the nhl

 

[Rubi]

At this moment in time, with Hutson in a mini scoring slump, I think the race is now between Wolf and Celebrini. Craig Conroy just did a trade that makes the Flames better and should improve their playoff chances so that should help Wolf.

 

[coooldude]

There is no clear leader. Celebrini still the odds-on favorite but not at all in a very clear way. Just over 55% to win, implied by the betting lines.

Betting odds reflect a close race between Celebrini and Hutson with Wolf an outside shot, not because he's not awesome, but because the market is probably baking in how rare it is for a goalie to win.

 

[Gravity]

Celebrini is trucking along. Kudos to him.

Hutson has looked a lot better in the last two/three games since being separated from Matheson. Hopefully he starts racking up points again.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I don’t see anyone dismissing his play, but it does seem like you’re dismissing the seasons Hutson, wolf and michkov have been having

No clear cut leader right now, all 4 kids going though the ebbs and flows of being a rookie in the nhl

Actually, one of them isn't. Celebrini hasn't had a stretch of more than two games without a point except the first week after he came back from injury. He's been the model of consistency. Every other rookie has had long stretches of poor play. Celebrini hasn't.

Every time I come into the thread, there's a new flavor of the month people are claiming is better than Mack. First it was Michkov, then it was Hutson, now it's Wolf. They're all great players, but they have not consistently played at a top line level the way Celebrini has all year.

If Celebrini goes ice cold down the stretch, then there's a discussion to be had. But I don't see that happening.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Actually, one of them isn't. Celebrini hasn't had a stretch of more than two games without a point except the first week after he came back from injury. He's been the model of consistency. Every other rookie has had long stretches of poor play. Celebrini hasn't.

Every time I come into the thread, there's a new flavor of the month people are claiming is better than Mack. First it was Michkov, then it was Hutson, now it's Wolf. They're all great players, but they have not consistently played at a top line level the way Celebrini has all year.

If Celebrini goes ice cold down the stretch, then there's a discussion to be had. But I don't see that happening.

and with all that consistent play he certainly hasn't created a gap between himself and the field. So here we are.

 

[Juxtaposer]

and with all that consistent play he certainly hasn't created a gap between himself and the field. So here we are.

He has, though. The idea that he hasn't is just folks wanting to create the idea that this is still a competition.

Wolf is the only guy with a legit case, if the Flames make the playoffs.

 

[Frank Drebin]

He has, though. The idea that he hasn't is just folks wanting to create the idea that this is still a competition.

Wolf is the only guy with a legit case, if the Flames make the playoffs.

I guess we will see at the end of the season how it all shakes out.

 

[coooldude]

I guess we will see at the end of the season how it all shakes out.

I think if you draw a trend line and assume no changes (stupid), then Celebrini is the clear favorite.

The reason there is uncertainty is... the obvious uncertainty and the fact that expecting clear trend lines for the rest of the season is a bad assumption.

It's still anyone's award for the top 3 imho. I think Michkov would struggle to win at this point given his extended slump, even if he turns it on in the last stretch.

 

[Mattb124]

and with all that consistent play he certainly hasn't created a gap between himself and the field. So here we are.

Vegas disagrees, but we will see how the rest of the season plays out.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hutson cooling off too. 0 points in last 4 games and -5. So hard to predict who will win it.

I do continue to think it’ll be Celebrini though.

I think the East being very tight in the standings will make games very competitive. Habs have seen that in the last 4 games and the level of physicality is picking up.

Celebrini should have the inside edge being in the West and the Sharks not in any race. They can play more freely where Hutson is going to be targeted more. that trend is starting to show.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Vegas disagrees, but we will see how the rest of the season plays out.

Vegas had Michkov as a favorite at one point this year or no?

 

[coooldude]

I think the East being very tight in the standings will make games very competitive. Habs have seen that in the last 4 games and the level of physicality is picking up.

Celebrini should have the inside edge being in the West and the Sharks not in any race. They can play more freely where Hutson is going to be targeted more. that trend is starting to show.

Anyone could win, I'm not saying Celebrini will win, Hutson could win. But Celebrini is facing 98th %ile in defensive quality of competition, and 70th %ile in forward quality of competition, so he is getting targeted. I don't think Hutson is going to get targeted more than that.

 

[Mattb124]

Vegas had Michkov as a favorite at one point this year or no?

You have a tense problem.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You have a tense problem.

I don't think I do.