Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[bud12]

Yes, that’s for the entire season. If you look at their PP TOI numbers over the last 15-20 games it’s closer (though 36 extra seconds on a much worse PP isn’t gonna help too much). Though, due to games missed for Celebrini, I believe Hutson has more overall PP time.

I also asked to compare their 5 vs 5 production but that was ignored? Why? I don’t believe it’s even close in terms of production. Sharks are a much worse team and have a mediocre PP so Celebrini doesn’t really rack up PP points.

For your first affirmation, Hutson played only 1min more on the pp during the entire season even tough he played 9 mores games. Secondly, I've literally put their respective pp pts numbers. 9pts and 14pts. You only need some basic subtraction to find their ES pts. And you want to compare their ES or 5vs5 production when one is a foward and the other is a dman? Hutson isn't relying more on the pp than any other top 5dman. 40% of his pts are from the pp. Same has Makar. 1% less than Morrissey and 2% more than Hughes/Werenski

 

[pepperMonkey]

Hutson is 6th in the league for pts by a D, just saying...

 

[Frank Drebin]

As with Michkov before him, I am more than happy to concede that Hutson is the better PP player than Celebrini right now.

Celebrini is far and away the best even strength rookie, and it's not debatable.

He is the front runner for best even strength rookie award

 

[BoHorvat 53]

As with Michkov before him, I am more than happy to concede that Hutson is the better PP player than Celebrini right now.

Celebrini is far and away the best even strength rookie, and it's not debatable.

A power play is a part of the game of hockey, Hutson shouldn't be dinged because he's especially proficient at one facet of hockey.

The Canadiens are in the playoff hunt pretty much off the back of Hutson's leap that he has taken these last 25ish games. He's pretty clearly the leader in the clubhouse for the Calder.

 

[Bouboumaster]

The question ain't about if Hutson will Win or not the Calder;

The real question is: aside of winning the Calder, will he also be nominated for either the Norris and/or the Hart?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Habs fan thinking Wolf needs more love...he has Calgary in a playoff spot and has been THE main reason they even have a sniff at late spring hockey...don't sleep on him, as great as Hutson & Celebrini have been...

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I’m well aware. The Calder often just comes down to stat counting. So, since he brought up overall stats such as PP TOI, I’m asking for the numbers. I’ve seen the individual game numbers but couldn’t find the average for all games played.

I would be embarrassed to advocate for a Forward to win the Calder over a Defenseman with more points and more responsibility.

 

[MoneyManny]

Super weird unprompted comment. You seem to think about Celebrini and the Sharks a lot. That tells you something.

In a thread that's about the Calder race between him and Hutson i'd say that's pretty normal, no?

You don't need to be sour grapes just because Hutson is outscoring your golden boy.

 

[MoneyManny]

He forgot to mention that Celebrini only got 0:54 of PP time while Hutson had nearly 4 minutes of PP time.

What the heil is that excuse? What's it gonna be next time the DEFENSEMAN Hutson outproduces him, dog ate his stick?

Why don’t you post their PP minutes numbers/data then as well as their 5 vs 5 points vs PP points + 4 vs 4/3 vs 3 numbers?

Why don't you post their position? Just the fact that you think you're comparing apples to apples is epic flattery for Hutson.

 

[danisonfire]

All this powerplay talk right after Hutson assists 3 even strength goals and finishes the night +3.

If you took away every single PP point he has and let every other rookie keep their PP points, he would still be 5th in rookie scoring (21 points), as a D, ahead of forward Cutter Gauthier.

Hutson has 3 goals and 21 assists in the last 22 games and is +9 during that period.

He is 19th in the entire league in points since Nov 27th.

 

[eojsmada]

Such an amazing race. A Forward vs a Defenseman vs a Goalie. And, for me, it's going to come down to whether Celebrini can keep up the pace as well as whether Wolf and Hutson can be the difference in getting their teams into the playoffs. From a media perspective, if all things are equal, it's Celebrini's to lose simply because he was 1OA and has lived up to the billing, which can be the tougher task...especially on a team that probably won't see the playoffs for a few more years.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Hutson has a bit of special touch. You could see it already on the first games this season. I do hope those Norris posts are jokes because he is not even close to the required level to win one

 

[Essenege]

So, Hutson gets PP1 time with better linemates and also has better linemates in general for 5 vs 5?


On the other hand, Celebrini plays with worse linemates in general than Hutson. He doesn’t play with any Caulfield or Suzuki PPG talent. Rather, only occasionally with Eklund or Granlund on PP. His typical linemates are usually Toffoli, Smith and Goodrow, More recently it has included Kovalenko and Graf at times with Eklund mixed in.

In the last 20 games or so, absolutely. Caufield is the leading 5v5 goal scorer in the NHL. Laine has 10 goal in 15 games…

But he’s also #1 in pass to slot in the league, among the leaders in various other offensive microstats like this. In my mind he’s the main offensive engine on the team, even ahead of Suzuki.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Hutson has a bit of special touch. You could see it already on the first games this season. I do hope those Norris posts are jokes because he is not even close to the required level to win one

Put Hutson in Makar's place this season and Hutson would have almost the same point total probably within 10. It's not a joke he's already Norris caliber.

 

[Bigtrout]

Hutson has a bit of special touch. You could see it already on the first games this season. I do hope those Norris posts are jokes because he is not even close to the required level to win one

I really doubt anyone seriously think he's should be in the running for the norris this year, but you never know

 

[danisonfire]

FTFY

Devil's (hehe) advocate...tools are actually useful.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

In the last 20 games or so, absolutely. Caufield is the leading 5v5 goal scorer in the NHL. Laine has 10 goal in 15 games…

But he’s also #1 in pass to slot in the league, among the leaders in various other offensive microstats like this. In my mind he’s the main offensive engine on the team, even ahead of Suzuki.

Some of the Habs mob would have you believe that Caulfield and Suzuki aren't even NHL caliber and Hutson is carrying a bunch of AHL lifers and a random sniper named Laine (with 10 goals in 15 games) to a winning record. I get that Hutson is performing at an elite level as a rookie but man, it's hard to comprehend how PPG "bums" like Caulfield are simply being carried by Hutson.

What the heil is that excuse? What's it gonna be next time the DEFENSEMAN Hutson outproduces him, dog ate his stick?


Why don't you post their position? Just the fact that you think you're comparing apples to apples is epic flattery for Hutson.

Why don't you compare their quality of linemates for 5 vs. 5 and the PP and the fact that Celebrini has played 9-10 less games?

 

[Star Platinum]

Actually, there problem is their eyes were never part of the equation at all.

There are already dough heads claiming that Hutson has "improved" so much as a hilarious excuse for their previous moronic takes. Hutson's stats have improved, but he was playing outstanding hockey and showcasing jaw-dropping skill from the very start of the season.

All of the bozos that were claiming he was "bad defensively" clearly never watched him play. Many of them pointed to his plus/minus as "proof" and then suddenly got quiet or disappeared when it was pointed out that he was on the ice for eight empty goals against.

These guys never watched him play, or only saw him play a game versus 'their' team. It was patently obvious they were simply looking at stats and then forming an opinion.

One of the strangest things about this place is how there are always some people that don't let not having a clue what they are talking about stop them from rambling on authoritatively about something, and, better yet, they will argue with the people that *do* watch the player.

I have seen Macklin Celebrini play four games this year. The idea that I would start arguing about the skills, merits and weakness of Celebrini with Sharks fans who have seen every game of his NHL career is beyond stupid. I would have to be a total idiot to do that.

By the same token, Sharks haven't even played Montreal yet this year so I have yet to see Hutson in a full game against my team. Just highlight videos. But boy, does he look amazing in the offensive zone. Him plus Laine being healthy seems to really have unlocked that power play.

Regardless of his ability to play defense, I would say any defenseman that can keep pace with a forward's scoring pace probably deserves to win the award, but I refuse to say anybody has sewn up the award only halfway through the year.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

For your first affirmation, Hutson played only 1min more on the pp during the entire season even tough he played 9 mores games. Secondly, I've literally put their respective pp pts numbers. 9pts and 14pts. You only need some basic subtraction to find their ES pts. And you want to compare their ES or 5vs5 production when one is a foward and the other is a dman? Hutson isn't relying more on the pp than any other top 5dman. 40% of his pts are from the pp. Same has Makar. 1% less than Morrissey and 2% more than Hughes/Werenski

Considering how much worse the Sharks are than the Habs and the quality of Hutson's ES/PP linemates relative to Celebrini, I don't think it's unreasonable to compare their ES or 5 vs. 5 production. Especially, since some of the Habs mob loves repeating that Celebrini (as a forward) is some embarrassment for having less points than Hutson in 9 less games. Or that the Calder race isn't even close?

 

[Benstheman]

By the same token, Sharks haven't even played Montreal yet this year so I have yet to see Hutson in a full game against my team. Just highlight videos. But boy, does he look amazing in the offensive zone. Him plus Laine being healthy seems to really have unlocked that power play.

Regardless of his ability to play defense, I would say any defenseman that can keep pace with a forward's scoring pace probably deserves to win the award, but I refuse to say anybody has sewn up the award only halfway through the year.

What’s surprising to me as a Habs fan is not his play in the offensive zone but his steadiness in the Dzone. I was not expecting this at all.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Considering how much worse the Sharks are than the Habs and the quality of Hutson's ES/PP linemates relative to Celebrini, I don't think it's unreasonable to compare their ES or 5 vs. 5 production. Especially, since some of the Habs mob loves repeating that Celebrini is some embarrassment for having less points than Hutson in 9 less games. Or that the Calder race isn't even close?

What about the fact that you're comparing a Forward to a Defenseman who is out producing him. A Forward being compared to a Defenseman and still losing, think about that.

 

[bud12]

Considering how much worse the Sharks are than the Habs and the quality of Hutson's ES/PP linemates relative to Celebrini, I don't think it's unreasonable to compare their ES or 5 vs. 5 production. Especially, since some of the Habs mob loves repeating that Celebrini is some embarrassment for having less points than Hutson in 9 less games. Or that the Calder race isn't even close?

Weren't you one of those sharks fans that were saying "Celebrini Ainec" for the calder like 1 months ago? Right now, Hutson is the front runner. It could easily change

 

[StrawHatEklund]

What about the fact that you're comparing a Forward to a Defenseman who is out producing him. A Forward being compared to a Defenseman and still losing, think about that.

Celebrini has a higher PPG on a much worse team with much worse linemates. Yes he is a forward but how is he out producing him?

 

[Benstheman]

Considering how much worse the Sharks are than the Habs and the quality of Hutson's ES/PP linemates relative to Celebrini, I don't think it's unreasonable to compare their ES or 5 vs. 5 production. Especially, since some of the Habs mob loves repeating that Celebrini (as a forward) is some embarrassment for having less points than Hutson in 9 less games. Or that the Calder race isn't even close?

Habs and Sharks were pretty much equals last season and in the 1st quarter on this season.

Hutson is a big part of why the two teams are not on the same level anymore.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Weren't you one of those sharks fans that were saying "Celebrini Ainec" for the calder like 1 months ago? Right now, Hutson is the front runner. It could easily change

I wasn't and never used the term AINEC once but thanks for proving that most of the Habs mob including you has a chip on their shoulder over any criticism of Hutson including those 2 threads that were tearing Hutson down. Note, I never participated in either.