Epic Calder Race 2024-25

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Yeah, I suppose facetiousness doesn't come across too well via text. If you could hear the inflection and tone I used when I said it to myself out loud, you'd probably have chuckled and identified the statement as wry humor.

Yeah totally missed that.

My bad

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think Michkov is the clear favorite to date, but he's also due for a bit of regression. He's currently sitting at 33 on ice goals vs 26 expected in all situations, with a decently high IPP%, with 11 goals vs 6 expected goals.

I think I jinxed Michkov with this post from a month ago... 1 goal 4 points in 12 games since it, shooting 3.9%...

He's now at 40 on ice goals vs 36 expected, which is much more reasonable for a guy with his ability to create and convert offensively.

I think he'll go on a bit of a run again soon and still break 60-65 points.

I think the best bet to spoil Michkov's Calder is Lane Hutson. He's due for some of his own pucks to start going in, and it looks like he's staked a claim as the team's #1 PP QB after Matheson held it down for much of the season. I could see him having a pretty prolific back half of the season, especially if Laine can stay healthy.

Assuming the top rookie skaters play the rest of their games, I'd predict:

• Michkov 27 goals 68 points in 80gp
• Hutson 5 goals 60 points in 82gp

This is aging pretty well. At the time of posting, Michkov was on pace for 35 goals 77 points over 80gp, but that's dropped to 26 goals 61 points...

Conversely, Hutson was on pace for 0 goals and only 54 points over 82 games, and is now on pace for 6 goals 61 points. 19 points in his last 19 games, crazy impressive for a rookie dman. Only Werenski and Q Hughes have more points since Nov 27.

They really should have had him on PP1 from the get go, I said as much at the start of the year. Kid was born to QB power plays.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

I’d prefer the Conn Smythe

Why not all 3?

Why not all three

LFG!!!

Didn't see this lol, beat me to it

 

[Stewie Griffin]

This year has been just like 2016

Celebrini - McDavid
Michkov - Panarin
Hutson - Gostisbehere

 

[Xirik]

This year has been just like 2016

Celebrini - McDavid
Michkov - Panarin
Hutson - Gostisbehere

So basically if Celebrini doesn't get injured the Calder is in the bag.

 

[lakeshirts37]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

 

[George Lebay]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

 

[Doom Bot]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

He'd pump you bud

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

a little insecure are we? lol

 

[Craig Ludwig]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

Thanks for such an insightful and intelligent addition to the thread, I'm sure this comment will be heavily weighted by the Calder selection committee...

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

Prob the most rational take on the thread

Do we really want a nerd winning the Calder

(Also it’s celebrini AINEC, anyone saying any different doesn’t stay up late enough to watch the sharks, Hutson has played himself into 2nd now )

 

[Frank Drebin]

I

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

I appreciate your candor

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Stankoven’s production has dropped massively wow

 

[Quinning]

I cannot stand Hutson. Idk what it is. Looks like such a nerd

His face is kind of messed up.

Insane hockey player though, so I don't think he cares. Also, he got on the Marty St Louis leg regimen:

 

[Frank Drebin]

I think I jinxed Michkov with this post from a month ago... 1 goal 4 points in 12 games since it, shooting 3.9%...

He's now at 40 on ice goals vs 36 expected, which is much more reasonable for a guy with his ability to create and convert offensively.

I think he'll go on a bit of a run again soon and still break 60-65 points.

This is aging pretty well. At the time of posting, Michkov was on pace for 35 goals 77 points over 80gp, but that's dropped to 26 goals 61 points...

Conversely, Hutson was on pace for 0 goals and only 54 points over 82 games, and is now on pace for 6 goals 61 points. 19 points in his last 19 games, crazy impressive for a rookie dman. Only Werenski and Q Hughes have more points since Nov 27.

They really should have had him on PP1 from the get go, I said as much at the start of the year. Kid was born to QB power plays.

Probably kept him off pp1 at the start out of respect for matheson, as good as Hutson is it would be pretty insulting to get knocked off by a rookie with 2 gp

 

[JustAHabFan]

Prob the most rational take on the thread

Do we really want a nerd winning the Calder

(Also it’s celebrini AINEC, anyone saying any different doesn’t stay up late enough to watch the sharks, Hutson has played himself into 2nd now )

Really? Hutson leads all rookies in scoring and he played 22/23 minutes a night as defenceman and he only played himself to 2nd? Hutson is one the main reason the Habs went from one of the worst team in the league to WC position.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Really? Hutson leads all rookies in scoring and he played 22/23 minutes a night as defenceman and he only played himself to 2nd? Hutson is one the main reason the Habs went from one of the worst team in the league to WC position.

Yes but he looks like a nerd

 

[JustAHabFan]

Yes but he looks like a nerd

For that reason we should give the Calder to Celebrini? OK, I got it. I hoped losing the Calder to Celebrini will motivate Hutson and he will raise his game to the next level to win the Norris.

 

[wetcoast]

Thanks for such an insightful and intelligent addition to the thread, I'm sure this comment will be heavily weighted by the Calder selection committee...

Speaking of the actual voters people should read this article in which actual voters are questioned on their picks and right now it's 90% for celebrini.

NHL Awards Watch: The MVP race tightens up -- and adds more contenders

At the midway mark of the 2024-25 season, are some awards already sewn up? We checked in with a panel of PHWA voters to check the temperature.

www.espn.com

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

a little insecure are we? lol

At least he's being honest instead of trying to hide under an air of constructful criticism.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Speaking of the actual voters people should read this article in which actual voters are questioned on their picks and right now it's 90% for celebrini.

NHL Awards Watch: The MVP race tightens up -- and adds more contenders

At the midway mark of the 2024-25 season, are some awards already sewn up? We checked in with a panel of PHWA voters to check the temperature.

www.espn.com

“But right now, it's just "consideration." It remains Celebrini vs. Michkov, with Celebrini clearly ahead in the race.”

Is this your opinion as well? If not, why post this?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Is this your opinion as well? If not, why post this?

Because this is a calder trophy thread...and the article talks about the opinions of the people who actually vote on who wins the calder.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Because this is a calder trophy thread...and the article talks about the opinions of the people who actually vote on who wins the calder.

He’s using the article to back up his opinion that Celebrini is the overwhelming calder favourite

That same article says that the race is strictly michkov vs celebrini.


So if you’re going to appeal to authority, do you just pick and choose what parts you agree with?

Do you think it’s a two horse race between michkov and celebrini? If not, how can you consider anything in this article relevant?

I think the article/opinions are a bit dated, probably a month old and not accurate

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Because you decide to ignore the historical differences between rookie forwards and defensemen. Go look at the top 20 rookies in each category (F vs D) and you'll notice there are far more 18 year old forwards than dmen. You'll also notice there's a stark difference in production. The highest scoring rookie dman, Larry Murphy, is at 76 points whereas Selanne is at 132 points. Celebrini finishing at ~80 points would place him around 20th-25th all-time among forwards, whereas Hutson finishing at 60 points would place him top 10 all-time.

The league is taking notice too, as despite Celebrini continuing to turn heads, it's Hutson who won the latest rookie of the month. It could bery much go any which way, including Michkov going on a heater.

"stuck in 2nd place" is just pure bias.

Parse this to centers rather than forwards and it’s likely a more representative point to make. Being a 1C is typically more difficult than being a 1D both in general and as a rookie.

 

[EveryDay]

Parse this to centers rather than forwards and it’s likely a more representative point to make. Being a 1C is typically more difficult than being a 1D both in general and as a rookie.

Huh no....