Injury Report: Enstrom out 8 weeks, Poolman recalled!

[sipowicz]

Guess the injury was worse than it first appeared!

 

[bustamente]

In most probability his last season with the Jets, we have guys who can take his spot

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Trading down in the 1st looks really, really bad in hindsight now. We traded a pick that could have been huge to keep Dano the popcorn dispenser, or Enstrom on crutches.

At least Pool-man has his shot. I doubt he leaves the team after, either.

 

[Shazzam]

Geeze! I had a bad feeling about this. Didn't look good how his leg got twisted.

 

[nobody important]

Dano in the press box? Shoulda hung onto that pick.
Toby out for months? Shoulda hung onto that pick.
Snow in the forecast? Yep, shoulda hung onto that pick.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Toby

I liked a bunch of d men in pre-season at least.

And Toby is having a pretty solid season in his own end, even if a lot of fans refuse to see it because he is small and european.

 

[Whileee]

Vesalainen is pretty good.

Enstrom didn't need to waive, I'm glad Chevy did the right thing to keep the team together and do a solid for Enstrom. Players notice that.

Besides, Enstrom will be back long before the end of the season and will be an important piece if we hit the playoffs. Depth is key if you want to be a true contender. Imagine the Jets not having Enstrom and losing a LD. We'd be looking at a long stretch of Chiarot.

 

[Maukkis]

Do you think that Chevy was aware of Toby busting his ankle this November when he was negotiating with McPhee? If the answer is no, you definitely shouldn't bring the whole f***ing thing up.

Well, at least Poolman gets a shot now. Too bad he's probably going to have to prove his worth at his offside, though.

 

[Afterburner]

Dano in the press box? Shoulda hung onto that pick.
Toby out for months? Shoulda hung onto that pick.
Snow in the forecast? Yep, shoulda hung onto that pick.

 

[Whileee]

Do you think that Chevy was aware of Toby busting his ankle this November when we was negotiating with McPhee? If the answer is no, you definitely shouldn't bring the whole ****ing thing up.

Well, at least Poolman gets a shot now. Too bad he's probably going to have to prove his worth at his offside, though.

...and if Poolman struggled coming back from double shoulder surgery, we'd be looking at Chiarot in the line-up from day 1 with Melchiori on deck. That would have been an idiotic gamble for a team trying to contend this season.

 

[sipowicz]

...and if Poolman struggled coming back from double shoulder surgery, we'd be looking at Chiarot in the line-up from day 1 with Melchiori on deck.

I'll take a single dose of Chariot for a short time over the triple dose of Postma, Stuart and Chariot we had for extended periods the past couple seasons.

Sadly Enstrom was playing fairly well when this injury occurred but was seeing the least amount of minutes of our six D!

 

[Daximus]

I still think we should have kept the pick but that is more based on our future. I seriously doubt Vegas would have taken Toby anyways. They would have had waaaaaayyy to many D. They likely would have taken Dano but they bluffed Chevy and he fell for it. It's in the past now.

 

[Whileee]

I still think we should have kept the pick but that is more based on our future. I seriously doubt Vegas would have taken Toby anyways. They would have had waaaaaayyy to many D. They likely would have taken Dano but they bluffed Chevy and he fell for it. It's in the past now.

... you might be neglecting the fact that Chevy was being honorable to Enstrom for waiving, thereby allowing Chevy to keep Lowry / Perreault.

I still don't think it is unreasonable to assume that Enstrom waived with the understanding that Chevy would make a side deal with Vegas (for futures) to ensure that he wasn't selected.

 

[Upperdeckjet]

If I have to be honest, I was worried about this west coast swing with Toby being vulnerable to the punishing physicality of those teams. We just got bigger and tougher and improved our offensive threat from whomever takes over that left D position.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

In most probability his last season with the Jets, we have guys who can take his spot

Do we? Are you sure? Niku is progressing well but the eyes on reports I have seen here say his D is not ready. Might be by next TC but I wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. Poolman? Lets see how well he does on the left side before we declare him the sweepstakes winner.

 

[Daximus]

... you might be neglecting the fact that Chevy was being honorable to Enstrom for waiving, thereby allowing Chevy to keep Lowry / Perreault.

I still don't think it is unreasonable to assume that Enstrom waived with the understanding that Chevy would make a side deal with Vegas (for futures) to ensure that he wasn't selected.

All we know is that Enstrom waived before the deadline with another deal falling through shortly after. At that point I don't think it's a terrible decision to let Enstrom go. But even then I don't think Vegas would have taken him. GMGM said he was going to but he would have had like 10 roster defencemen at that point. I think he would have elected to take Dano but wanted something more from Chevy so he bluffed taking Enstrom. Chevy was backed into a corner and made a deal to keep both by moving down in the draft. I think GMGM got what he wanted. He wanted the pick all along, doubt he had any real interest in either Enstrom nor Dano. His eyes were on 13th overall and he got exactly what he wanted.

 

[Lowered Expectations]

Nasty. Well, we had almost two games a healthy roster. I hope Toby full and speedy recovery.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

All we know is that Enstrom waived before the deadline with another deal falling through shortly after. At that point I don't think it's a terrible decision to let Enstrom go. But even then I don't think Vegas would have taken him. GMGM said he was going to but he would have had like 10 roster defencemen at that point. I think he would have elected to take Dano but wanted something more from Chevy so he bluffed taking Enstrom. Chevy was backed into a corner and made a deal to keep both by moving down in the draft. I think GMGM got what he wanted. He wanted the pick all along, doubt he had any real interest in either Enstrom nor Dano. His eyes were on 13th overall and he got exactly what he wanted.

We were lucky, but it costed us trading down, but the luckier part is it made no difference for us either way and we ended up getting Vesalainen.

 

[Whileee]

All we know is that Enstrom waived before the deadline with another deal falling through shortly after. At that point I don't think it's a terrible decision to let Enstrom go. But even then I don't think Vegas would have taken him. GMGM said he was going to but he would have had like 10 roster defencemen at that point. I think he would have elected to take Dano but wanted something more from Chevy so he bluffed taking Enstrom. Chevy was backed into a corner and made a deal to keep both by moving down in the draft. I think GMGM got what he wanted. He wanted the pick all along, doubt he had any real interest in either Enstrom nor Dano. His eyes were on 13th overall and he got exactly what he wanted.

McPhee wanted the 13th, Chevy wanted to be sure to keep Enstrom and Lowry and all his depth (remember, he lost zero assets), and was happy taking the 24th. Both GMs got what they wanted. Chevy can still peddle Dano if he wants. He's still an asset that was preserved.

 

[10Ducky10]

We don't know how anything would have played out except what did playout and I am happy with where the team is now; thus, I am happy with the trade.
Also, Vaseline looks like he will be a 2-3 line winger which we might need (salary wise) in a couple of years.

 

[Aavco Cup]

How the hell does an injury thread devolve into a re-hash of the expansion draft?

 

[Daximus]

We were lucky, but it costed us trading down, but the luckier part is it made no difference for us either way and we ended up getting Vesalainen.

I'm not 100% sold on Vesalainen yet over Suzuki, Foote, Valimaki or Liljegren. I still would have prefered to keep the pick and just let Enstrom go but I may be in the minority on that.

McPhee wanted the 13th, Chevy wanted to be sure to keep Enstrom and Lowry and all his depth (remember, he lost zero assets), and was happy taking the 24th. Both GMs got what they wanted. Chevy can still peddle Dano if he wants. He's still an asset that was preserved.

I'm not so sure Chevy got what he wanted. Remember another larger deal fell through. I think Chevy was banking on that deal taking place and he got backed into a corner by GMGM. I don't think Chevy's plan was to trade down in the draft at all. Dano isn't worth much at this point to anyone really, what little value he held before this season is pretty much gone. He might be able to eek out a mid round pick for him if that. Or toss him in as a value balance in a bigger deal. Either way if you asked me then if I would rather have Suzuki, Foote, Valimaki or Liljegren over one of Dano/Enstrom and Vesalainen I would have said yes. And my stance hasn't changed since.

 

[10Ducky10]

Chiarot replacing Enstrom is a fair downgrade...not sure about Poolman.

 

[flyingkiwi]

Sad for Toby, he was playing fine.

Here's hoping for a strong recovery and that we're in a playoff position where he can really help us.

 

[Whileee]

I'm not 100% sold on Vesalainen yet over Suzuki, Foote, Valimaki or Liljegren. I still would have prefered to keep the pick and just let Enstrom go but I may be in the minority on that.



I'm not so sure Chevy got what he wanted. Remember another larger deal fell through. I think Chevy was banking on that deal taking place and he got backed into a corner by GMGM. I don't think Chevy's plan was to trade down in the draft at all. Dano isn't worth much at this point to anyone really, what little value he held before this season is pretty much gone. He might be able to eek out a mid round pick for him if that. Or toss him in as a value balance in a bigger deal. Either way if you asked me then if I would rather have Suzuki, Foote, Valimaki or Liljegren over one of Dano/Enstrom and Vesalainen I would have said yes. And my stance hasn't changed since.

I wanna win now... By the time we find out which of those draftees will make an impact this core will be 3-4 years older. I think it was the right move to keep as much depth as possible, all things considered.