Post-Game Talk: End of the Shanascam? | Leafs Blown Out at Home Again

[mapleleaf979]

Agreeing to trade Nazem Kadri, after he got suspended 2 times , not because he is a loose cannon, he is trying to defend for 17 other soft, non playoff guys. Patrick Marleau was Babcocks sheep, he was the one who will listen and make Babcock look good and with that manipulate the team. Marleau is toxic, his contract his vibe is one of the worst signing in Leafs history. Like I said, Babcock's puppet. Shanahan cant be that out to lunch though can he? Winning cups and knowing playoff toughness is bigger than talent. My point is , Larry Tanenbaum is the shot caller.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

When does Shanny step down and take on his new position as right hand man for 1 year transition under Bettman as NHL commish?

 

[ashs]

A lot of the hate fans have at Mitch should be directed at Shanahan. If he was a man he'd own it.

 

[mikeyz]

When the fans care about the team more than the players do it's time to find new players.

Either make the fans happy or listen to them boo while the jersey's hit the ice. Here's a newsflash: the team isn't losing because the fans are toxic. The fans are toxic because the team keeps losing.

Because they care about this team and want to see it succeed.

I am stealing this line. LOL

 

[seventieslord]

I think I explained it pretty clearly, you're just not getting it. Marner has no way to stop Toronto from trading their negotiating rights, there's no movement involved, Marner can still say no to the new team with negotiating rights but they'd have exclusive access to talk to the player and make their best pitch for a deal before July 1 when he hits UFA status.

Here's a Google search that might make it clearer:

"In essence, trading for a player's negotiating rights is a strategic move that can provide teams with an advantage in the pursuit of talent, particularly before they become unrestricted free agents. "

Google Search

I get all this, and I see the benefit to both teams and the player, however, I think Francis is still right that the player would have do agree to it. Trading negotiating rights I believe is the same thing as trading the player, only difference is you're not getting that player for any number of games, you're just getting them for a certain number of days until their contract expires. But it's still a player trade like any other.

The best case scenario for the Mariner situation right now is to start to put feelers out for where he thinks he would like to go and start talking to those teams and see if there is mutual interest. And if there is, if you trade those rights now, and get some sort of asset then he becomes their free agent instead of your own, and he can sign for the 8th year, which is probably of great interest to Marner as he probably sees this as the big cash in year of his career.

 

[Superstar]

I'm going to say things in a different way: I like every single player on this team and I'd be sad to see any of them go. I know that's weird to hear based on the results but it's how I feel. I've taken shots at a few guys but it was meant to be playful. I think they're a talented group of likeable guys who deserve some success.

In this league, they need to earn their success.

 

[Trapper]

Agreeing to trade Nazem Kadri, after he got suspended 2 times , not because he is a loose cannon, he is trying to defend for 17 other soft, non playoff guys. Patrick Marleau was Babcocks sheep, he was the one who will listen and make Babcock look good and with that manipulate the team. Marleau is toxic, his contract his vibe is one of the worst signing in Leafs history. Like I said, Babcock's puppet. Shanahan cant be that out to lunch though can he? Winning cups and knowing playoff toughness is bigger than talent. My point is , Larry Tanenbaum is the shot caller.

Too bad Kadri didn’t get the benefit of 9 chances.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Also, Shanascam

 

[rumman]

A lot of the hate fans have at Mitch should be directed at Shanahan. If he was a man he'd own it.

They’re both embarrassments to the organization, can’t wait till they’re both elsewhere…….

 

[New User Name]

Shanahan ruined this franchise, players and the reputation of the team.

Isn't it funny, both Burke and Shanahan worked for Gary, hmmmmm

 

[thewave]

Isn't it funny, both Burke and Shanahan worked for Gary, hmmmmm

We keep hiring Gary Batman plants. Total conspiracy.

 

[New User Name]

We keep hiring Gary Batman plants. Total conspiracy.

I didn't say it

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Here's a newsflash: the team isn't losing because the fans are toxic. The fans are toxic because the team keeps losing.

Mic. Drop.

 

[seventieslord]

Wings are a "second favourite" team of mine. I know the club as well as Toronto.

Detroit would weep after the first Marner playoffs experience and if I was given the opportunity to trade Matthews to Detroit I would take it. Not because Larkin entices me, but at half of what Matthews makes, the depth on Toronto increases.

I know many in Hockeytown have lost faith in the "Yzerplan", but let me assure you, it's not the "Shanaplan" and because Yzerman has taken the long view approach, Detroit has little in the way of anchors, and a cap structure that will give the Wings a chance at contention with depth.

Marner and Matthews will destroy that the instant they arrive. And trust me, they're not Maple Leafs in the mold of the 90s and 00s, which makes them lightyears apart from Detroit's standard of contender.

Agreed on Nylander but you can't have him, lol.

I'd take that Larkin trade and run. But that offer would never happen. It's a little rich for Matthews.

 

[seventieslord]

I'm completely shocked you guys don't want Matthews anymore. That guy is a f***ing beast. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery. I would absolutely never trade him if I was Toronto. Yzerman had so many playoff failures before he started winning cups...

Yzerman was still a courageous stud of a player well before his 9th season.

 

[AvroArrow]

Agreeing to trade Nazem Kadri, after he got suspended 2 times , not because he is a loose cannon, he is trying to defend for 17 other soft, non playoff guys. Patrick Marleau was Babcocks sheep, he was the one who will listen and make Babcock look good and with that manipulate the team. Marleau is toxic, his contract his vibe is one of the worst signing in Leafs history. Like I said, Babcock's puppet. Shanahan cant be that out to lunch though can he? Winning cups and knowing playoff toughness is bigger than talent. My point is , Larry Tanenbaum is the shot caller.

We gave up the draft pick Carolina used to select Jarvis to DUMP the Marleau contract

JT Contract crippled us, we could have ran Matthews/Kadri and easily kept Hyman as well + add a legit defender (Pietro) A buddy of mine played junior hockey with him and they're still good friends, he was legitimately considering coming home to play for Toronto

Overall a complete shit show and maybe worst asset management in the league

 

[Roo]

Shanahan ruined this franchise, players and the reputation of the team.

Do you remember where this franchise was when Shanahan took over? Yeah, he didn’t get us over the hump, but there are plenty of examples of ‘ruining a franchise’ and this wasn’t one of them.

IMO, the biggest mistake was giving the reigns to Dubas, a rookie GM.

 

[Metroid]

When does Shanny step down and take on his new position as right hand man for 1 year transition under Bettman as NHL commish?

I thought it would be right after the leafs.
But now Long Island Wants him. So probably after that, to not make it to obvious.

 

[hullsy47]

Do you remember where this franchise was when Shanahan took over? Yeah, he didn’t get us over the hump, but there are plenty of examples of ‘ruining a franchise’ and this wasn’t one of them.

IMO, the biggest mistake was giving the reigns to Dubas, a rookie GM.

Shanahan had to fire lou because lou negotiated
Dubas just bent over

 

[theTTC]

I thought it would be right after the leafs.
But now Long Island Wants him. So probably after that, to not make it to obvious.

Isn't New York where Shanahan lives? Hmm, how handy. And I'm sure there has not been any talk between the parties at all while Leaf playoffs have been going on - it just... occured to Shanny to reach out immediately after Leafs lost the series.

 

[ACC1224]

Isn't New York where Shanahan lives? Hmm, how handy. And I'm sure there has not been any talk between the parties at all while Leaf playoffs have been going on - it just... occured to Shanny to reach out immediately after Leafs lost the series.

More likely he was on their radar from the time they were thinking of moving on from Lou Lam, who probably recommended him.

 

[Tak7]

Agreeing to trade Nazem Kadri, after he got suspended 2 times , not because he is a loose cannon, he is trying to defend for 17 other soft, non playoff guys. Patrick Marleau was Babcocks sheep, he was the one who will listen and make Babcock look good and with that manipulate the team. Marleau is toxic, his contract his vibe is one of the worst signing in Leafs history. Like I said, Babcock's puppet. Shanahan cant be that out to lunch though can he? Winning cups and knowing playoff toughness is bigger than talent. My point is , Larry Tanenbaum is the shot caller.

The logic behind trading Kadri wasn't flawed - imagine bringing him back, and he doing something stupid again? What did that leave you?

The issue was that they mis-evaluated their roster, what they needed, and what they ultimately traded Kadri for. It was easy to say with hindsight that Tyson Barrie didn't meet this team's needs.

But it was also easy to say it back then as well.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The logic behind trading Kadri wasn't flawed - imagine bringing him back, and he doing something stupid again? What did that leave you?

The issue was that they mis-evaluated their roster, what they needed, and what they ultimately traded Kadri for. It was easy to say with hindsight that Tyson Barrie didn't meet this team's needs.

But it was also easy to say it back then as well.

Barrie was just a throw in bonus according to Zeke (who referred to Dubas as his soul mate). I remember him posting rankings from the Athletic, according to which Kerfoot and Kadri had roughly equal value.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I thought it would be right after the leafs.
But now Long Island Wants him. So probably after that, to not make it to obvious.

With Shanny it will come down to money and where he lives .. we here in TO gave him everything he wanted .. i think his wife would prefer he stay close to Brooklyn but he may want to make da 2 hour drive to da Island .. for a guy with a very weak academic background to make it like he has it pretty impressive .. i mean a great drinking partner for sure but still hard for me to process Shanny running nhl as commish .. i mean i lol .. but like song goes "anyone can make it in NYC"

 

[Funk21]

If Shanny prevented Tre from trading Marner before his no trade kicked in Pelley should have fired him then and there. This organization has been guilty of dragging its feet signing players before their final year. Nylander, Marner before JT was signed, Knies before this breakout season.

As said we are playing checkers while the rest of the league is playing chess.

The stars need to totally align in order for us to improve / stay in the playoff hunt next year IMO. That is having our pick of FA, a Player like Cowan being able to somewhat replace Marner, we are able to trade contracts like Kampf, Jarnkrok, etc. total reset. Tall order and we have very little other than Cowan in players maybe ready to make to step and no high end picks. It’s not looking good and it’s the failure of this organization to identify the issues with the core/other areas, and spending assets like a drunken sailor to subsidize this band of losers has put us in a position that may require a total rebuild. At least we will have assets selling our stars if that happens.