Post-Game Talk: End of the Shanascam? | Leafs Blown Out at Home Again

[MSZ]

Ya I know that. I wonder how many other Presidents of teams live in another province, state or country.

Brian Burke lived in Toronto when he was the president of the Flames.

 

[ITM]

Your take couldn’t be further from the truth, in fact it’s part of the problem with the team, the accepting of mediocrity makes it that much easier for the players to not be accountable…….

Wrong. What's far from the truth is to underestimate how gargantuan the task is, for any manager to come to Toronto and undo our culture.

The closest to a truly championship team we ever came to was Gilmour's Leafs.

We were on the tail end of a particular era in Canada. We were in our old beautiful hockey temple. We had Canadian leaders who could chew nails and the right infusion of leadership and youthful swagger all coalescing at the right time.

The key spring to my comment is the jack-in-the-box reference.

To a person, Matthews was the consensus #1 pick. Marner likewise. Dubas and his contracts is another important point.

But Matthews is the tip of the spear and behind that, Marner.

The warning signs were there early. And I think most of us ignored them.

But the steps Shanahan took were the right ones: (i.e. Lamoriello, Babcock, Pridham, etc...even Dubas when you unpack them.)

Pointing out what he's done isn't accepting mediocrity and it doesn't blindly absolve him of what's failed anymore than ignorance of the law is immunity from prosecution.

 

[Ports]

I agree, the fans deserve to be upset, but there's no excuse for booing and throwing jereys on the ice. The Leafs were one win from the conference finals and had a good chance to win, Florida was their biggest hurdle from going to the finals. I think that the finals will be Florida vs Dallas, but I hope that it's Carolina vs Edmonton.

I have no problem with booing. It’s pro sports and fans give a lot of their heart to a team and pay a lot of money to watch them play. When they don’t show up in critical games over and over again a little booing is to be expected. Throwing stuff on the ice is not acceptable.

 

[New User Name]

Brian Burke lived in Toronto when he was the president of the Flames.

He has an excuse, he's an American LOL

 

[rumman]

I will not, the evidence is piling up.

However, I'm not excusing the Leafs effort last night, just the overall disproportionate advantage over the last 20 years.

The fanbase whining is why were the joke of the league you do understand that right?

 

[egd27]

its almost like how the F do these losers not find motivation after 9 years of abject failure

It’s always come easy to them so they never bothered to develop a work ethic. It’s not an empty adage that hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard

It’s the same thing year after year, the other guys just out work them when it most matters.

 

[Apex Predator]

Both can be true, and I think are. Fans are super passionate here, but this market will be much more hard on them compared to others.

What about other sports with tougher markets? That excuse is never used there so why do they use it in Toronto? Is t because it’s an easy cop out answer for when they play bad.

 

[PromisedLand]

Both can be true, and I think are. Fans are super passionate here, but this market will be much more hard on them compared to others.

imagine a time where passionate fan bases ceases to exist in leafs, habs, rangers, etc... where fans only go cheer the team when they are winning else stadiums and tv revenue is essentially non-existent

will these ass hats then be fine with it? will they then make the same money that they are making now when fanbase decides to spend their money and time elsewhere until the team wins? if that is what is expected of the fans then may be thats what the fans should do

also quite rich coming from jackasses from flordia a low/no tax state. yea they can F right off

 

[DutchHockeyGuy]

And you still watched it??

I got up at 5 to watch it, everyone knows not to text me, but once it was 3-0 I just started fast forwarding..

I felt the irresistible urge to empty the poisoned cup (gifbeker). Not sure why.

Normally I easily avoid results before watching, but this opportunity was probably too good for fans of other teams to not mock, pity or meme me today. A lot of people unfortunately know the Leafs are my one true passion in sports.

 

[New User Name]

I have no problem with booing. It’s pro sports and fans give a lot of their heart to a team and pay a lot of money to watch them play. When they don’t show up in critical games over and over again a little booing is to be expected. Throwing stuff on the ice is not acceptable.

I thought like that at one time. Then realized these fans pay huge money to go to a game. If they want to throw crap on the ice and suffer whatever legal consequence come there way, more power to them.

 

[PromisedLand]

It’s always come easy to them so they never bothered to develop a work ethic. It’s not an empty adage that hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard

It’s the same thing year after year, the other guys just out work them when it most matters.

Yup pretty much.

Their compete level, blue collar workman like attitude is just not there. Skill without hardwork is useless

 

[Ports]

Matthews/Marner have the absolute worst comments and body language in the media and towards a fan base. From Shambles to Gods to passengers, I’ve seen enough of this duo.
At least Rielly has class post game.

 

[rumman]

Imagine Leafs pulling of a Lindros like trade

Are you trying to give me a woody?

 

[ITM]

and i'm going to stop you here.
because you didn't add: and after five years when everyone and their mother say there were issues and they could have made changes without handicapping themselves he refused to do it.

For someone who had a five year plan that changed every day. to NOT make changes before Marner's NMC kicked in and simply deal with trading Nylander is just wrong. Shanahan's stubborness to adapt and change is the exact same thing when EVERYONE knew the cap was coming and almost every other team made sure they were ready except the Leafs.

He got hoisted by his own petard.

Well you're not going to stop me at a point of your preference, but I will continue to note that there are other elements to be considered. And yes, he got hoisted by his own petard.

And to the contrary, if his five year plan changed every day, then" after five years when everyone and their mother say there were issues" holds no weight chiefly because he didn't exchange the Core Four for something else.

Shanahan was magnanimous in giving suspected outgoing parties opportunity to redeem themselves including and starting with Carlyle.

I am positive that what he entailed in keeping our young core together could be filed under growing pains. He did the same thing with Dubas until there was an irrefutable character sketch to compel his firing. I have no doubt that that's where Shanahan is with Marner, Reilly and likely himself.

 

[Smif]

The fanbase whining is why were the joke of the league you do understand that right?

It comes off as whining when I talk about it when we just lost, sure. But, I bring it up consistently throughout the season and not just for us, for all the Canadian, New York state and California teams.

 

[Thrasymachus]

They have the 1st overall and maybe they sign Marner as well.

Unlikely. Big time UFA's avoid the island like the plague.

Usually the people we target sign with the Rangers just to screw with us xD

Regarding Marner, I bet if you guys do decide to move on, just trading Marner's expiring contract for rights to negotiate resigning would have significant value.

 

[PromisedLand]

For a team touting to play defense and not scoring goals in matthews/marner just FYI this is how you play defense

Florida came ready to play

 

[ITM]

Yup pretty much.

Their compete level, blue collar workman like attitude is just not there. Skill without hardwork is useless

And Babcock said precisely that very thing to Matthews when he had to visit him in Arizona in that one summer.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Losers. And we knew this. And they keep giving us hope.

The hope is dead now. This is what this team is. This is the core 4. A bunch of gutless, pathetic, money hungry, losers. That's it.

Move on. I don't care how. It's time. I'd rather suffer through change than suffer for mediocrity. This team does not have it. End of story.

Blow it all up. Not even overreacting, after all these years it's underreacting really. Blow it up. Goodbye. All of you.

This iteration of the Leafs will go down worse than the Kessel Burke era. At least that one from the outside had no chance, this team on paper looked possible.

Pathetic. Go be a virus on some other NHL team. You don't deserve to wear the Maple Leaf.

 

[The Masters]

Going to stand resolute here.

Shanahan improved our club and our culture.

Our club is incrementally better now than last year.

But for whomever takes over, let's not pretend like our entire ecosystem is just a bigger version of the Dallas Stars' ecosystem.

Our team, our fanbase and the perception of those by other players is something that has to change and a culture of serious focus has to be the new norm.

I'm not about to tar and feather the man. I see the good he's done with jack-in-the-box talent that no one short of a sociopath could see. And at that point, you protect your young, fledgling stars. But man oh man was Babcock right.

Mirtle on JD bunkis this morning for what it's worth says theres going to be bigger changes that we arent expecting. whatever that means. Shanny is low hanging fruit and same with letting Marner walk. After that, not sure. But he says the MGM team is too bloaded and changes will come.

 

[Roo]

What about other sports with tougher markets? That excuse is never used there so why do they use it in Toronto? Is t because it’s an easy cop out answer for when they play bad.

Who is using it as an excuse? I didn’t see any leafs mentioning it. Just panthers.

imagine a time where passionate fan bases ceases to exist in leafs, habs, rangers, etc... where fans only go cheer the team when they are winning else stadiums and tv revenue is essentially non-existent

will these ass hats then be fine with it? will they then make the same money that they are making now when fanbase decides to spend their money and time elsewhere until the team wins? if that is what is expected of the fans then may be thats what the fans should do

also quite rich coming from jackasses from flordia a low/no tax state. yea they can F right off

It’s one thing for it to be true, but another thing for the players to complain about it. All I am saying is that it is true. How the players feel about it is another thing altogether. But it is a fact, and leafs of 20 years ago admit the same. Last I checked these players signed here knowing what they were getting themselves into.

 

[New User Name]

Unlikely. Big time UFA's avoid the island like the plague.

Usually the people we target sign with the Rangers just to screw with us xD

Regarding Marner, I bet if you guys do decide to move on, just trading Marner's expiring contract for rights to negotiate resigning would have significant value.

Like Gretzky who could have signed with the Leafs instead of the Rangers but decided Canada wasn't home to him anymore.

 

[rumman]

It comes off as whining when I talk about it when we just lost, sure. But, I bring it up consistently throughout the season and not just for us, for all the Canadian, New York state and California teams.

Imagine how it would have went over if all the post expansion teams that weren’t in major markets constantly complaining about the “unfairness” of not being in a big market……….

 

[Thrasymachus]

Like Gretzky who could have signed with the Leafs instead of the Rangers but decided Canada wasn't home to him anymore.

Gretzky really flubbed his post-LA decision making xD

 

[Daisy Jane]

Both can be true, and I think are. Fans are super passionate here, but this market will be much more hard on them compared to others.

if by "hard" it means they can't go out and look like fools and not be applauded for it, then yes. we're way too hard. shame on me.

like i'm sorry. every time i hear this, I am like. seriously. look at the Yankees. and the Yankees win. Look at ANY football team in England. and somehow someway, the players get up every morning and do their damned job and perform well.

but in toronto. where ALL we want is for them to freaking not embarass themselves at this point, we're too hard on them? because all we want is for this team to do something that apparently every other team in the league except one + the one that got created this year can do? Which is not look embarassingly stupid in the playoffs and maybe win a cup? Shame on on us. how dare us.

I have full respect for Alter and Carlo for calling out this BS.
You would never hear this in New York, or Dallas [Cowboys] or big basketball markets.
These donkeys (BOTH teams, yes Florida too) are basically saying. How dare Toronto fans care about the team so much, and people are like yah how dare we.

not on my watch.

honestly i need to find that Shanahan clip of him calling that BS out saying it is too hard to play here and he doesn't want people on this team thinkng that way. because it's bull poo