Post-Game Talk: End of the Shanascam? | Leafs Blown Out at Home Again

[NVious]

slept on it thought I'd feel a little better the next day.

Nope! I am actually feeling a lot worse than I did yesterday. It was anger and disgust yesterday; its disgust, despair and sense of hopelessness today.

This franchise and I need a divorce lol

Think of the positives.

A lifetime of being a Leafs fan has prepared you for the horrors of the world.

I heard all elite special forces around the world indoctrinate their soldiers into being Leaf fans and then as part of training their psychological strength they make them watching all the Leaf games post 1967.

After that, nothing will break them.

 

[PromisedLand]

i feel like these guys are all waiting for some else to do it in the big moments, man remember when this whole thing started and everyone was so hopeful? when marner dove to block a shot vs boston in 2018 and everyone loved him for it? how the mighty have fallen.

IMO the perennial losers in marleau and jumbo were the worst thing to happen to them in their youth. that set up their mindset and probably their career path. they will never be "THE" guys they will always a kessel who needed to play behind crosby and malkin to have meaningful stats in playoffs

 

[Ports]

Easily believable. Now that he knows Marner is gone, I'm sure he would entertain a trade somewhere on his terms which would allow the leafs to get some nice young talent to build around.

The issue right now is he’s coming off a bad year where he was likely injured for most of it. He might want out too but they won’t be able to maximize the return. Let him get healthy and hopefully have a great regular season and then trade him.

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

See this is exactly why I feel awful for you guys. It sucks when a fan has to make a choice like THAT, damn.

Have you considered following a second, western team? They don't play against Toronto a ton anyways.



Rumblings in the islander community he may be Lou's replacement.

I swear these story lines write themselves xD

Islanders have some kind of fetish for Toronto cast offs.

Seems like a good fit. Islander fans don't seem to mind mediocrity year after year.

 

[Budz22]

 

[PromisedLand]

Looking back at last night who stood out for us, I felt the 4th line was the best, thought Domi looked good, Benoit continued to impress me, guy is a warrior also.

Tanev and the guys you said did put in the work last night.

biggest trash were the new muskoka habitants in rielly, marner, matthews, tavares and nylander

the core is rotten and it MUST be undone.

Matthews and Nylander stay the other 3 in rielly, marner and tavares can f-off. unless tavares is willing to sign a league minimum to play 3C minutes he can get his bag elsewhere; he is too slow to keep up with the pace of the game

 

[Ports]

i feel like these guys are all waiting for some else to do it in the big moments, man remember when this whole thing started and everyone was so hopeful? when marner dove to block a shot vs boston in 2018 and everyone loved him for it? how the mighty have fallen.

The core guys never matured as a group. Never hated losing enough. All individuals who just cared about their own stats and contracts. Not team players.

 

[Torontonian]

Patch was expected to chip in? He makes league minimum, so does Knies. What does the core 4 need , 4, maybe 5 league minimum guys scoring to carry them? THEY HAD 1 GOAL COLLECTIVELY IN 4 GAMES. Like WTF are we talking about here. Holy shit it boggles my mind that people are talking about the depth when $45MM divided between 4 players gets you 1 goal in the biggest games of the year.

All those guys you listed are trash I agree. Once Marner and JT are gone they all be regulated to the fourth line or in the press box as we will build a better balanced team with less scrubs who have 0 offensive capabilities.

So because you don't make a lot of money, you're not expect to to provide anything to your hockey club? Apart from providing any goals, the 3rd and 4th line legit couldn't forecheck or cause momentum swings... How often did we see our D getting punished because we were in our zone with our 3rd line and 4th line?

That's awful logic. Knies making 800k means nothing when you're lriding shotgun with the best players.. What it changes next season when he's making 7m?

Please go out and find me a team that's won a cup or made a deep run with half of their roster scoring 0 goals after 13 games.

 

[PromisedLand]

Think of the positives.

A lifetime of being a Leafs fan has prepared you for the horrors of the world.

I heard all elite special forces around the world indoctrinate their soldiers into being Leaf fans and then as part of training their psychological strength they make them watching all the Leaf games post 1967.

After that, nothing will break them.

LOL if only.....

 

[Ports]

Treliving tried to trade Nylander for a Dman - I put 0 stock into these Shanahan phone calls or any handcuffing.

It was reported everywhere in the media. What inside intel do you have ? Did he try to trade Marner too ?

 

[Roo]

Do they say this about the Habs, Vancouver (burnt a city down after a loss), the Yankees? The Dodgers? The Red Socks? The Lakers? Man U? The noise is comparable or more in those places. Do you really think the fans are to blame for this core not being able to get it done (which is what the “blame the fans” kind of implies). The noise is only this loud now because of the long time lack of success.

I said nothing about blaming the fans. I just said the point was valid, that it is going to be tougher on players here because of the sheer frenzie that exists. That doesn't mean you can't win in cities like this, but do you honestly think this is the same as a market in Florida, Dallas, or Carolina? Not even close.

 

[ITM]

They had numerous chances to win the series, I'd rather hold the 40M core accountable vs our back up goalie

Why didn't the core show up in game 5 and game 7 ? The two biggest games of their careers. Ok blame Woll for game 3, it was a complete team loss but let's assume Woll lost that one.

What is the excuse for the core not showing up for TWO games, on HOME ICE including another GAME 7 ?

Your reasoning is, if Woll played good in game 3 the series doesn't go 7 ?

He's our back up goalie and came in after basically sitting for a month.

Why didn't Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander show up for the two biggest games of their career on home ice ?

It's almost axiomatic, but if Matthews and Marner don't lead by example at points during a game and certainly a series, or rather, if their leadership examples inefficiency and error, it absolutely cascades down.

That doesn't absolve Woll, Nylander, Tavares or Reilly or moments of Holmberg, Laughton and McCabe in kind.

But what this series demonstrated is that if you have a healthy 1G AND a horse on the back end (i.e. Tanev) then the supporting cast can come close to compensating for a leaderless ship. But close isn't good enough.

There is no formula for success when leadership is absent or incapable.

 

[Cleetus]

Tanev and the guys you said did put in the work last night.

biggest trash were the new muskoka habitants in rielly, marner, matthews, tavares and nylander

the core is rotten and it MUST be undone.

Matthews and Nylander stay the other 3 in rielly, marner and tavares can f-off. unless tavares is willing to sign a league minimum to play 3C minutes he can get his bag elsewhere; he is too slow to keep up with the pace of the game

I agree the players that should of been the ones that would lead us to victory were ghosts all night, but as we know this has been the case for 9 years.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Seems like a good fit. Islander fans don't seem to mind mediocrity year after year.

Why do you think I am lurking here?

Misery is all I know

 

[Buds17]

Treliving tried to trade Nylander for a Dman - I put 0 stock into these Shanahan phone calls or any handcuffing.

I admittedly don't know how much stock I can attribute to a GM re-signing a player for max term after he apparently tried to peddle him either. I do agree that Shanahan isn't likely to be handcuffing Treliving's abilities as GM though.

 

[Ports]

There is literally no chance this is true.

The organization wouldn't have given him the captaincy if it was.

In fact there would have been an uprising in the room, and JT wouldn't want to be back like he does.

This is the dumbest thing I've read on HFBoards.

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. He just threw his teammates and the coaching staff under the bus. The story sounds hard to believe but I don’t think management has a clue how to handle these primadonas. It wasn’t working with JT so why not try Matthews who clearly wasn’t up to the job. Clueless.

 

[Ports]

Thats not his game.

For $11M it better be.

 

[ITM]

Going to stand resolute here.

Shanahan improved our club and our culture.

Our club is incrementally better now than last year.

But for whomever takes over, let's not pretend like our entire ecosystem is just a bigger version of the Dallas Stars' ecosystem.

Our team, our fanbase and the perception of those by other players is something that has to change and a culture of serious focus has to be the new norm.

I'm not about to tar and feather the man. I see the good he's done with jack-in-the-box talent that no one short of a sociopath could see. And at that point, you protect your young, fledgling stars. But man oh man was Babcock right.

 

[ITM]

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. He just threw his teammates and the coaching staff under the bus. The story sounds hard to believe but I don’t think management has a clue how to handle these primadonas. It wasn’t working with JT so why not try Matthews who clearly wasn’t up to the job. Clueless.

Sticky this. Absolutely infantile to voice that opinion and then have Frack punctuate it.

That Florida story might not be true, but it doesn't sound implausible in the least.

 

[PromisedLand]

I agree the players that should of been the ones that would lead us to victory were ghosts all night, but as we know this has been the case for 9 years.

its quite baffling really. in the "real world" instead of a clownshow run by shanahan; if the hired employees do not progress they not only do not deserve promotions but their jobs are also at stake.

Leafs should be a case study in MBAs all over the world to show how incompetent president/gm (shanaCON and dubas) ruined what should have been a promising venture

 

[djdev]

IMO the perennial losers in marleau and jumbo were the worst thing to happen to them in their youth. that set up their mindset and probably their career path. they will never be "THE" guys they will always a kessel who needed to play behind crosby and malkin to have meaningful stats in playoffs

personally i blame the organization from hiding them at all costs from criticism and never holding them accountable.

 

[Smif]

Oh look...

Edmonton Oilers - Best player of our generation.
Dallas Stars - Low income tax state.
Carolina Hurricanes - Low income tax state.
Florida Panthers - Low income tax state.

 

[yort2010]

Woll was mind numbingly bad this series.

If you ignore his shutout, he allowed 23 goals in 5.5 games. Will be kind and round that up to 6 games. That's a GAA of 3.83.

you see our defense at all get constantly caved in our own end?

 

[egd27]

Meh, we said that about John Tavares and alas he came. If the oilers win I have McDavid signing here at about a 90% chance. He’ll be open to a new challenge after giving Edmonton a cup.

If McDavid can win in Toronto his legacy would be through the roof

JT was taking the opportunity to come to what appeared to be a promising young team that looked to have a bright future.

That is no longer the case.

 

[ITM]

IMO the perennial losers in marleau and jumbo were the worst thing to happen to them in their youth. that set up their mindset and probably their career path. they will never be "THE" guys they will always a kessel who needed to play behind crosby and malkin to have meaningful stats in playoffs

And yet even they reached the SCFs.

The pain is coming, Babcock said.

I wonder how Babcock would do as a GM now that Treliving is likely to move on up?