Post-Game Talk: End of the Shanascam? | Leafs Blown Out at Home Again

[hoglund]

reading how some fans are more upset about the booing and chucking shitty sweaters on the ice than the performance of the team.

yes, Toronto definitely deserves the Leafs.

I agree, the fans deserve to be upset, but there's no excuse for booing and throwing jereys on the ice. The Leafs were one win from the conference finals and had a good chance to win, Florida was their biggest hurdle from going to the finals. I think that the finals will be Florida vs Dallas, but I hope that it's Carolina vs Edmonton.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Yeah I don’t think Marner is going to agree to that. Why would he agree to have his rights traded? A part of going to UFA is having a ton of teams court you. Why is he going to give that up and give leverage to one team? Defeats the purpose of being a UFA from a business standpoint.

I don't think he has a choice. It's not a "trade" that he can veto, it's just negotiating rights. Right now only the Leafs are allowed to negotiate a new deal with him or it would be tampering by another team. In the past, teams have traded those rights to other teams. I don't think those rules have changed.

 

[Trapper]

Funny. Two blowouts at home and I don't blame the d at all. The approach most of the forwards had while defending was to not close space quickly or skate. We need players that will take a pound of flesh. The fact that marchand went unscathed in these playoffs is absurd.

Tanev Benny McCabe. You're beauties.
Domi , Laughton showed heart as did knoes since he clearly couldn't skate.

Where was this heavier Berube forecheck we were supposed to get?
Trouble is one half of the team plays one way and the other half doesn’t. Florida plays the same way line 1-4.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Funny. Two blowouts at home and I don't blame the d at all. The approach most of the forwards had while defending was to not close space quickly or skate. We need players that will take a pound of flesh. The fact that marchand went unscathed in these playoffs is absurd.

Tanev Benny McCabe. You're beauties.
Domi , Laughton showed heart as did knoes since he clearly couldn't skate.

To me it is also part of the "system". The Leafs are so passive in their own zone and they collapse the forwards down so strongly that the area above the circle to the blueline was just owned by Florida.

But yeah, our D was mostly solid (although Carlo was awful on two goals in game 7). There were plenty of times the Leafs made super weak clearing efforts and got hemmed in..

 

[francis246]

I don't think he has a choice. It's not a "trade" that he can veto, it's just negotiating rights. Right now only the Leafs are allowed to negotiate a new deal with him or it would be tampering by another team. In the past, teams have traded those rights to other teams. I don't think those rules have changed.

He has a NMC what are you talking about? They still have to get Marner’s permission to trade his rights. He can absolutely veto that

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

He has a NMC what are you talking about? They still have to get Marner’s permission to trade his rights. He can absolutely veto that

I think I explained it pretty clearly, you're just not getting it. Marner has no way to stop Toronto from trading their negotiating rights, there's no movement involved, Marner can still say no to the new team with negotiating rights but they'd have exclusive access to talk to the player and make their best pitch for a deal before July 1 when he hits UFA status.

Here's a Google search that might make it clearer:

"In essence, trading for a player's negotiating rights is a strategic move that can provide teams with an advantage in the pursuit of talent, particularly before they become unrestricted free agents. "

Google Search

 

[rumman]

okay to be fair. I doubt very much Bettman was waiting to specifically wait until the Leafs hired someone to go. "okay yeah now Ill lift up the ban." I know it's kosher to hate on Bettman but let's be real. but legit I would have waited until Q was free even if it meant we spiraled out of it. even if he said no. then you wait to see what else was there.

Leaf Nation are never short of reasons why they can’t win, this is just another sad excuse………

 

[Brown Dog]

Understand the pitchforks coming out for Shanahan, but I do have some sympathy for him. He came in and burned it to the ground and started over with a build-from-the-ground-up approach that this franchise needed and had avoided for years in favour of quick fixes.

And he remained patient to stick with the vision of his belief in this core group.

His mistake was hitching his wagon to this particular core.

 

[francis246]

I think I explained it pretty clearly, you're just not getting it. Marner has no way to stop Toronto from trading their negotiating rights, there's no movement involved, Marner can still say no to the new team with negotiating rights but they'd have exclusive access to talk to the player and make their best pitch for a deal before July 1 when he hits UFA status.

Here's a Google search that might make it clearer:

"In essence, trading for a player's negotiating rights is a strategic move that can provide teams with an advantage in the pursuit of talent, particularly before they become unrestricted free agents. "

Google Search

Sorry I miss understood you, you are correct

 

[shaner8989]

Understand the pitchforks coming out for Shanahan, but I do have some sympathy for him. He came in and burned it to the ground and started over with a build-from-the-ground-up approach that this franchise needed and had avoided for years in favour of quick fixes.

And he remained patient to stick with the vision of his belief in this core group.

His mistake was hitching his wagon to this particular core.

Well said. f*** the core . All f***ing no show losers

 

[BraveCanadian]

Understand the pitchforks coming out for Shanahan, but I do have some sympathy for him. He came in and burned it to the ground and started over with a build-from-the-ground-up approach that this franchise needed and had avoided for years in favour of quick fixes.

And he remained patient to stick with the vision of his belief in this core group.

His mistake was hitching his wagon to this particular core.

Its ok, he's making a few million a year to do a job that anyone could do in their sleep and be as successful as he has been. Tanking and picking high isn't exactly tough.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Sorry I miss understood you, you are correct

All cool. Emotions are high.

 

[rumman]

Marchand is on record posting on twitter that marner was worth 12 million on 8 yr deal when marner was RFA

marchand is just trolling the leafs and leafs fans as far as i am concerned

No player wants to see another player take a pay cut, that makes it harder for the players to get raises……..

 

[francis246]

All cool. Emotions are high.

Apologies again, sorry about that, I was unaware they can trade the negotiation rights prior to UFA.

So maybe they can get at least a pick or something. Maybe they can con Carolina into paying something for another crack at him.

 

[rumman]

Man, i'd give a kidney to have a player like marchand

Yup, he’s injured too and I didn’t see any quit in his game, and he took some serious hits specifically when Benny destroyed him in front of the net, that would have sent Marner to the ICU……..

 

[francis246]

Marchand is on record posting on twitter that marner was worth 12 million on 8 yr deal when marner was RFA

marchand is just trolling the leafs and leafs fans as far as i am concerned

I mean they are all in the NHLPA, so if Marner gets paid that’s good for other players. So I don’t expect him to really say anything bad

 

[rumman]

Gonna be a very interesting 7 weeks coming up.

I think we all collectively thought that after last seasons failure yet here we are. Never underestimate the stupidity of MLSE………

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Understand the pitchforks coming out for Shanahan, but I do have some sympathy for him. He came in and burned it to the ground and started over with a build-from-the-ground-up approach that this franchise needed and had avoided for years in favour of quick fixes.

And he remained patient to stick with the vision of his belief in this core group.

His mistake was hitching his wagon to this particular core.

He executed the rebuild near perfectly.

I feel like “patience” eventually turned into ego. His refusal to adjust just stinks of believing he could never have gotten wrong.

 

[Trapper]

No player wants to see another player take a pay cut, that makes it harder for the players to get raises……..

Bruins fans would not put up with 9 years of that from a core and Marchand would know that. They moved on from guys like Thornton/Seguin/Kessel/Hamilton/etc.

 

[rumman]

It’s wild that even in the darkest hour Berube wouldn’t split Marner and Matthew’s up

At this point I believe there’s a clause in their contracts, which on the bright side should make it easier to trade Mathews…….

 

[rumman]

Bruins fans would not put up with 9 years of that from a core and Marchand would know that. They moved on from guys like Thornton/Seguin/Kessel/Hamilton/etc.

And the Leafs attract them like flies to shit……..

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Not one single player in the "core" showed up for game 5 against Columbus. It literally looked like they intentionally lost that game.

Why didn't any of you listen to people like me that said the "core" experiment should be over? I was borderline getting death threats for suggesting it. All this nonsense about /60 stats and other mayhem.

Now we lose these players for nothing. It's just so embarrassing.

 

[rumman]

Looks like Marchy headed to tor lol never heard him go to bat like that for leafs before haha

At this point even the opposition is feeling sorry for the Leaf fans……..

 

[Trapper]

At this point I believe there’s a clause in their contracts, which on the bright side should make it easier to trade Mathews…….

Why would Matthews/Marner want to play with the rest of the passengers holding them back?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Apologies again, sorry about that, I was unaware they can trade the negotiation rights prior to UFA.

So maybe they can get at least a pick or something. Maybe they can con Carolina into paying something for another crack at him.

Unfortunately it would be a very small return like at best a 4th rounder but at least it's something but then, if they wanted to, the Leafs could still re-sign him come July 1.