Post-Game Talk: End of the Shanascam? | Leafs Blown Out at Home Again

[LeafsMonster]

The post games really show the difference.

Rielly spoke maturely, mentioned not giving rehearsed answers. Tavares looked heartbroken and didn't hesitate to say he wants to be back.

Matthews and marner both looked pissed at being criticized and throw their teammates under the bus.

Did willy even have a post game?

Berube, idk. I don't know what to make of him. Clearly over 9 years and multiple coaches, its not a coach problem. Curious how berube adapts. But yeah not a fan of the lack of line mixing and adjusting throughout the games.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I mean, one way for marner to turn around his image right now would be to sign for a paycut. 9 million isn't chump change.

Idk if I'm a lifelong leafs fan, the dream of being on the team that finally hoists the cup, to have my statue at legends row, my number up on the rafters, I would do it for 2 million.

I think both he and the organization knows it's done.

 

[Cleetus]

There are different levels of draft successes.
There's the Yakupovs who never pan out, there's the Marner/Matthews who have great individual career numbers but never win a damn thing in the NHL.

man I miss the Fail for Nail posts hahaha

 

[KAWAIlllI]

M&M calling out others after that R2 performance is just out of this world.

 

[Gabriel426]

There are different levels of draft successes.
There's the Yakupovs who never pan out, there's the Marner/Matthews who have great individual career numbers but never win a damn thing in the NHL.

Essentially we drafted Thorton and Marleau 2.0

 

[Trapper]

For sure
With a new name and persona.

The saddest part about this core is I don't even know if Senior Martinez is still a fan anymore. They core should be ashamed of that.

 

[sxvnert]

Ultimately, shanny has to take the fall here. I expect him gone this week

He's at fault for marner leaving for zero assets, when it was clear as day like you said in 2023 we can't have this many softies and expect a deep run.

His contract ends on July 1st so he was gone regardless.

 

[Apex Predator]

What if MM is willing to sign for 8mil for 2-3yrs with the Leafs and then cash out when the cap really jump in a few years with Leafs or another team.

Would he receives less criticism?

If he continues to fail in the playoffs I think he will still receive criticism. He is tainted to the leafs right now.

 

[francis246]

Essentially we drafted Thorton and Marleau 2.0

I will not be surprised if Marner ends up in San Jose.

 

[Trapper]

Essentially we drafted Thorton and Marleau 2.0

Been saying that for awhile. Our trajectory is either win the Cup with these guys or they age out badly with nothing and we’ve given away draft picks/prospects to keep it going and start at the bottom again.

 

[sxvnert]

The real question is how the f*** do you lose 6-1 in back to back games at home.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yes Shanny will fall on the sword. I think he’s gone within the month as well. Like I said in the Marner thread, regardless of how much you like a player, as a fan of the team you have to accept what’s in front of us. 9 years of this shit, you cannot run it back. You have to make big changes.

I think you let both Marner and JT walk. Get rid of Shanahan, promote Tre to President and bring in a GM that aligns with your views of how to build a team. I honestly wouldn’t mind a Treliving president, Rob Blake GM combination.

What do President of Hockey Operations do anyway?
Like Leafs is a brand that sells itself, thus, you dont need the Pres making marketing decisions or planning to expand the brand….also not like MLSE is planning to build another stadium or practice facility or a Maple Leafs theme park in the Middle East like Real Madrid.

So what does President really do? Why do we need one?

 

[djdev]

The post games really show the difference.

Rielly spoke maturely, mentioned not giving rehearsed answers. Tavares looked heartbroken and didn't hesitate to say he wants to be back.

Matthews and marner both looked pissed at being criticized and throw their teammates under the bus.

Did willy even have a post game?

Berube, idk. I don't know what to make of him. Clearly over 9 years and multiple coaches, its not a coach problem. Curious how berube adapts. But yeah not a fan of the lack of line mixing and adjusting throughout the games.

theres a reason people wanted morgan to be captain a few years back. but at the end of the day hes a great person who is just as big of a problem as the other 4 on the ice in big situations. i wish he wasnt because i love the guy.

he single handedly cost us game 3 and was probably the worst leaf on the ice this game as well imo.

 

[Gabriel426]

If he continues to fail in the playoffs I think he will still receive criticism. He is tainted to the leafs right now.

I think he will receive less as he is no longer overpaid but will still get it for underperforming

 

[LeafsStorm]

Out:
Woll (Sorry he isn't it)
Kampf (useless plug)
Shanahan
Holmberg (see above)
Shanahan
Rielly - buddy is cooked
Jarnkrap - the f*** does this useless twat do, exactly?
Laughton (stupid f***ing acquisition)
Shanahan
Domi (not good enough, sorry Ty)
Marner (he's walking anyways)
Matthews (playoff ghost and he's had so many injuries hes one good one away from career ending)
JT (too slow)
Shanahan
Berube - system sucks
Trev - horrible trading
Shanahan
Robertson - doesn't wanna be here anyways
All the useless scrub prospects
The "hype" guy at SBA
The special teams coach's



Maybe keep Patches for veteran status

Keep Knies and Stolarz
And the D core
Have a feeling Tanev isn't going to age well on that massive contract
Man I don't even know I'm just pissed off

 

[Gabriel426]

I will not be surprised if Marner ends up in San Jose.

Chicago is my guess, closer to Toronto.
Not a lot of expectation for a while.
Bedard is a Pintside AM.

 

[3blizzard4]

A lot of people said the Leafiest thing to do is win game 6 and lose in horrible fashion at home in a game 7.

Because why not.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Essentially we drafted Thorton and Marleau 2.0

 

[Apex Predator]

Essentially we drafted Thorton and Marleau 2.0

Hindsight probably shouldn’t have brought Thornton and Marleau to the team. Perennial chokers and look what they have taught them.

 

[Aashir]

I’ve been saying this and I’ve been called an idiot. Glad people are catching on. Letting Marner walk is putting a bandaid on the bigger problem, which is probably Matthews. Look at the way this team plays without him, it’s night and day.

With Matthews here I don’t think we find success truthfully.

We probably aren’t finding success with any combo of the big 3

they aren’t leaders, and they make leadership money. They aren’t Mcdavid, draisaitl, Mackinnon, rantanen

They are the 3-5th most important players on a cup team

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Out:
Woll (Sorry he isn't it)
Kampf (useless plug)
Shanahan
Holmberg (see above)
Shanahan
Rielly - buddy is cooked
Jarnkrap - the f*** does this useless twat do, exactly?
Laughton (stupid f***ing acquisition)
Shanahan
Domi (not good enough, sorry Ty)
Marner (he's walking anyways)
Matthews (playoff ghost and he's had so many injuries hes one good one away from career ending)
JT (too slow)
Shanahan
Berube - system sucks
Trev - horrible trading
Shanahan
Robertson - doesn't wanna be here anyways
All the useless scrub prospects
The "hype" guy at SBA
The special teams coach's



Maybe keep Patches for veteran status

Keep Knies and Stolarz
And the D core
Have a feeling Tanev isn't going to age well on that massive contract
Man I don't even know I'm just pissed off

Honey, don't forget Shanny please

 

[djdev]

A lot of people said the Leafiest thing to do is win game 6 and lose in horrible fashion at home in a game 7.

Because why not.

not alot, literally nearly EVERYONE said it. because it was a certain as death and taxes.

 

[francis246]

What do President of Hockey Operations do anyway?
Like Leafs is a brand that sells itself, thus, you dont need the Pres making marketing decisions or planning to expand the brand….also not like MLSE is planning to build another stadium or practice facility or a Maple Leafs theme park in the Middle East like Real Madrid.

So what does President really do? Why do we need one?

They oversee a lot of decisions, Shanahan while he didn’t produce a good on ice product, did oversee a lot of good initiatives that made the organization better. One of his first goals as president was to reconnect the fan base and the alumni. That relationship had been damaged for years, I think he’s succeeded with that.

The presidents role is to be a bridge between the hockey operations and the board. So yes on ice product is one part of it, but the leafs also have relationships with a lot of stakeholders in the city. So it’s the presidents job to handle those relationships.

 

[Gabriel426]

Hindsight probably shouldn’t have brought Thornton and Marleau to the team. Perennial chokers and look what they have taught them.

Been saying for the past 6yrs. Marleau was the signing that truly f**ked up AM and MM. As he probably taught them to always take care of yourself instead of for the team, let others do the dirty work…..

 

[Superstar]

That was a smart move by Jersey to draft 2 of them. Put them as a front runner for Quinn if ever he thinks about leaving.

It's an odd sentiment...so if Quinn goes to NJ, the brothers are running the team? Is one the players equivalent to LeBron James?