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keonsbitterness said:
Just the way things developed -- franchise system of pro sports in Canada/US compared to the club system in most of the rest of the world.
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This is what I don’t get, I thought we were moving in that direction lining up the ECHL -> AHL -> NHL pipeline by outspending on facilities and development staff to get a consistent Leafs Hockey academy style system in place for smooth call-ups, but we barely call anyone up and when we do they get 6 minutes a night with Reaves and Kampf. We don’t play a consistent way, neither do the Marlies, there’s no continuity on the way up.

If anything, spending some money on an off-season junior development academy like what Gary Roberts does but with more systems and tactics involved would probably pay off much better than paying a million AGMs, VPs, and consultants for doing god knows what with no tangible results. Get promising junior players a taste of what pro preparation is like in world class facilities, how committed Toronto is to helping their guys develop, and maybe you have the next Tkachuk or Fox demanding a trade here instead of Florida/NYC.
 
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mikeyz said:




They are really going to try and run this back aren't they???? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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Double edged sword.

Historically giving coaches a say in GM level decision-making is often not a great idea there's a reason why guys are coaches and not management types to be in with.

That said I'm willing to give Chief the benefit of the doubt for a while. Things can't worse (famous last words ..)
 
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Ianturnedbull said:
It does. I lived and went to college in Boston. My room mate was from Brown, my classmate was from Harvard, and my teacher was from Yale.

The point is that if Treliving is worth his weight in salt, then his daughter must attend an Ivy League school. I'm ok with her going to UofC for undergrad, but she must do a Masters in an Ivy League school. Cornell is exceptable.
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Arguably the worst 4 years of my life.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
This is what I don’t get, I thought we were moving in that direction lining up the ECHL -> AHL -> NHL pipeline by outspending on facilities and development staff to get a consistent Leafs Hockey academy style system in place for smooth call-ups, but we barely call anyone up and when we do they get 6 minutes a night with Reaves and Kampf. We don’t play a consistent way, neither do the Marlies, there’s no continuity on the way up.
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that was just Dubas spewing non-sense trying to look smart while constantly adjusting his glasses for added affect

he thought he'd look like a genius by ripping off how baseball develops prospects , but every sport is different and your best prospects in hockey don't go to the ECHL , they either make the big team or spend some time in the AHL , outside of goalies
 
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hotpaws said:
that was just Dubas spewing non sense trying to look smart while constantly adjusting his glasses for added affect

he thought he'd look like a genius by ripping off how baseball develops prospects , but every sport is different and your best prospects in hockey don't go to the ECHL , they either make the big team or spend some time in the AHL , outside of goalies
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Brazeau, McMann, Marchment, Verhaeghe and probably a couple others I’m forgetting spent time down there. Obviously your best prospects aren’t going to be there but if you can churn out a no-name into a 28 year old middle-6 option on an ELC every couple years that’s probably better value than whatever our 40 special advisors to the VP of advising the advisory council of the assistant GM are doing.

Cliff Fletcher is still on the payroll and they didn’t even use his seniors discount at a buffet to beef Marner up.
 
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keonsbitterness said:
Just the way things developed -- franchise system of pro sports in Canada/US compared to the club system in most of the rest of the world.
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I do think that we can implement the system where Marlies play exactly the same way as the Leafs for easier transition of the players
 
colchar said:
McJesus is under contract so any affirmative answer would be considered tampering.

And he isn't coming next season, he is coming the season after that via free agency.
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At this point, I don’t give a shit how we get him. Even if it means tampering.
 
torontosun.com

SIMMONS: Are the Maple Leafs actually better off with Brendan Shanahan gone?

There is nothing to indicate that the Toronto Maple Leafs are improved without Brendan Shanahan as president than they were with him.
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There is nothing to indicate that the Maple Leafs are better off today than they were yesterday.

There is nothing to indicate that the Leafs are in any way improved without Brendan Shanahan as president — without anyone as president — than they were with him in charge.

This is the built-in difficulty and challenge for Keith Pelley, CEO of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, who made the decision not to retain Shanahan as president of the Leafs and got approval from the MLSE board to let him walk.

The decision may be right or wrong — you can argue both sides — but here’s what you can’t argue:

On Thursday, the Leafs had a career hockey man, a Hall of Fame player and a well-regarded voice in the league in charge of their apparent world-class franchise.

On Friday, that baton passes to Pelley — not a hockey person, a sports business person.

Shanahan was twice an Olympian playing for Team Canada. Pelley was an Olympian, broadcasting numerous Games over the years.

Their skill sets are different. The future needs to be as well.

The voice and guidance of Shanahan, however successful he may have been, is gone from the Leafs.

Now, when general manager Brad Treliving has an issue, a question, a hockey matter to debate and discuss — and this is how a lot of sports franchises operate — he will have to consult his own handpicked staff. There is no Paul Beeston to his Pat Gillick.

And he will have to consult with and get approval from Pelley on almost all moves of consequence — and Pelley’s background is sports production and broadcasting and business and marketing and sales.

He can be charming as hell to be around — few people I know are more delightful — but if you ask him about a Harley, he’d likely reference a motorcycle before referencing a defenceman with the Dallas Stars.
 
Martin Skoula said:
Brazeau, McMann, Marchment, Verhaeghe and probably a couple others I’m forgetting spent time down there. Obviously your best prospects aren’t going to be there but if you can churn out a no-name into a 28 year old middle-6 option on an ELC every couple years that’s probably better value than whatever our 40 special advisors to the VP of advising the advisory council of the assistant GM are doing.

Cliff Fletcher is still on the payroll and they didn’t even use his seniors discount at a buffet to beef Marner up.
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of course the odd guy makes it from spending a little time in the ECHL but that's always been the case and that's far different than what Dumbass was proposing which was starting our all our prospects there and have them work there way up the the NHL

basically he was speaking about how MLB starts there prospects at rookie ball and then they work there way up

the guy spent too much time thinking about ways to reinvent the wheel to try to make himself look like some out of the box thinking genius , probably since he had and still has no idea wtf he's doing !
 
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Martin Skoula said:
Brazeau, McMann, Marchment, Verhaeghe and probably a couple others I’m forgetting spent time down there. Obviously your best prospects aren’t going to be there but if you can churn out a no-name into a 28 year old middle-6 option on an ELC every couple years that’s probably better value than whatever our 40 special advisors to the VP of advising the advisory council of the assistant GM are doing.

Cliff Fletcher is still on the payroll and they didn’t even use his seniors discount at a buffet to beef Marner up.
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Don’t think there’s anything wrong with using the ECHL as a developmental overflow and cashing in on a decent graduate once in a blue moon, but its so marginal you don’t even need to highlight it as an organizational thought process or philosophy.
 
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Stephen said:
If Tavares comes back at $5 million or less and Marner is out, Leafs can somehow persuade Bennett, Ekblad and Marchand to come. Or some combination. I could see us maybe shifting out a McCabe to balance it all out and suddenly the team is quite a bit deeper.

Top 6 of

Matthews
Nylander
Knies
Bennett
Marchand
Tavares

Defense maybe looks like:

Tanev
Ekblad
Carlo
Benoit
Rielly
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If Treliving can find a way to keep JT and add Ekblad, Bennett and Marchand, we should build him a statue.
 
I wouldn't put too much stock into Berube's comments about wanting them back. Of course all else being equal he wants 2 x 80+ point guys back in his lineup.
 
mikeyz said:




They are really going to try and run this back aren't they???? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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Ownership to Pelley, "so we need an excuse to run this back again"

Pelley "Ok, Berube has shown support for running it back again... lets use him as the voice wanting them back?"

Ownership "Brilliant, set up a dinner and release to media that he is an incredible hockey mind that will have more than typical input on hockey decisions to plant the seeds"
 
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