Emergency Goaltender Rules and Pay Should be Updated
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BB88
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uncleben
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This is exactly it, and I'm fine with it.
Typically when this happens, the players will chip in and give him a gift (which sounds like they're doing)
DaveG
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So would I but it's about what's right. Any emergency goalie that's called in to a game deserves at least what would be the league minimum for that game for their appearance which I think is somewhere around 3,500.
If I were a Hurricanes player, I would have given Ayers $1,000 out of my own wallet after the game. Kind of like tipping a caddy after a round of golf.
What a way to get your 15 minutes!
What a way to get your 15 minutes!
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Learning to play goalie: years of hard work
playing in an nhl game: 500$
Humiliating the leafs: priceless
playing in an nhl game: 500$
Humiliating the leafs: priceless
I feel like you're looking at this as an argument whereas I was thinking this was a conversation. I haven't tried to prove you wrong once and everything you've said makes sense. I was just givin a potential idea.
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He also got a signed goalie stick from Reimer and a bottle of wine from Brind'Amour. I thought it was funny that Brind'Amour just happened to bring a bottle of wine with him on the road.
Tasteless Beaver
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Did they confirm that the bottle had something in it?
Haha good question. I did hear Brind'Amour signed it.
The popular suggestions amongst the talking heads seem to be either:
a) Have the league mandate minimum quality standards for a backup goalie, and maybe dictate that he cannot practice with the home team.
and
b) Have teams carry a EBUG all year, who would presumably practice with the team when needed, and serve some sort of support staff role the rest of the time.
There are substantial hurdles with both approaches.
On A.... You cannot pull from professional leagues, as these guys are under contract to another organization. If they get hurt, that's a big problem for them and the other organization.
Ideally, you want a guy who does currently play competitively, which leaves university goalies.In the Canadian cities, it is probably practical, as each Canadian team can schedule one of the 3 goalies on a university roster to be at the game.
In the US however, this is much more complicated, as NCAA rules would likely prohibit university goalies from doing this.
Furthermore, if he doesn't practice with the NHL team, how is he supposed to stay in shape? At least if he practices with the team, if he plays for the home team, he's familiar with NHL shot quality, and they know him a bit. If he plays for the road team, at least he knows what he's facing.
On B.... This does on the surface seem like a reasonable approach. Get a guy to be the "assistant goalie coach", or equipment guy, and have a traveling 3rd goalie with you at all times. The problem with this is -- you're still going to get a player who potentially hasn't played competitive hockey in years. Seems to me that if the league mandated that teams make this position, David Ayres might still be the Leafs EBUG.
a) Have the league mandate minimum quality standards for a backup goalie, and maybe dictate that he cannot practice with the home team.
and
b) Have teams carry a EBUG all year, who would presumably practice with the team when needed, and serve some sort of support staff role the rest of the time.
There are substantial hurdles with both approaches.
On A.... You cannot pull from professional leagues, as these guys are under contract to another organization. If they get hurt, that's a big problem for them and the other organization.
Ideally, you want a guy who does currently play competitively, which leaves university goalies.In the Canadian cities, it is probably practical, as each Canadian team can schedule one of the 3 goalies on a university roster to be at the game.
In the US however, this is much more complicated, as NCAA rules would likely prohibit university goalies from doing this.
Furthermore, if he doesn't practice with the NHL team, how is he supposed to stay in shape? At least if he practices with the team, if he plays for the home team, he's familiar with NHL shot quality, and they know him a bit. If he plays for the road team, at least he knows what he's facing.
On B.... This does on the surface seem like a reasonable approach. Get a guy to be the "assistant goalie coach", or equipment guy, and have a traveling 3rd goalie with you at all times. The problem with this is -- you're still going to get a player who potentially hasn't played competitive hockey in years. Seems to me that if the league mandated that teams make this position, David Ayres might still be the Leafs EBUG.
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The number of occurrences where the EBUG actually entered the game is like 2 or something each NHL season. That's over the standard 1260 games per season. So, it's remote. And in games where both goalies got injured in the game, not one getting injured in pre-game or the morning skate?
Like half the teams can find someone who has been playing competitive hockey because of the hockey programs around their area. But, where do some of the southern teams find one?
lomiller1
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I kind of like the current rule because it allows for a case like this one that is unique in sports. That said, it should be changed in favor of allowing teams 1 or even 2 practice goaltenders that travel with the team. If you have these then it just makes sense to allow teams to activate them in case of multiple injury.
This shouldn’t be a regular player position, more like an assistant coaching position to help manage goaltender workload so you don’t need to use your regular goaltenders for skater drills if you don’t want to.
This shouldn’t be a regular player position, more like an assistant coaching position to help manage goaltender workload so you don’t need to use your regular goaltenders for skater drills if you don’t want to.
TheOtherOne
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If the emergency backup steps onto the ice, the owner of the team that uses him should personally owe him league minimum / 82. I can't imagine any reason whatsoever he should make any less.
It's also f***ing stupid that his contract specifically says "no other compensation is allowed" yet we're reading public stories about all the various ways the Canes are repaying him. Either enforce the rule or remove it.
It's also f***ing stupid that his contract specifically says "no other compensation is allowed" yet we're reading public stories about all the various ways the Canes are repaying him. Either enforce the rule or remove it.
The whole concept is weird. Does any other sport pull a random person from the crowd when a player gets hurt? I don't think so. Seems they should make a forward or a defenseman put on the gear, end of story.
MadLuke
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If you make it too official-well paid, it remove the aura of regular guy playing and the publicity/magic aspect is gone (would not be surprised if they are making more in official -unofficial gift from the team/players anyway than if they would not feel the need to pay him something because he made a 3-5k), better put a coaching staff or a skater in goal, that would be quite the spectacle as well.
On any given night there are to 15 guys sitting in the arenas across the league as the the on-call EBUG as set up by the home team. Does anyone know how long this practice has been taking place, to me it does seem to be a recent thing? It does seem if the need for an EBUG is determined prior to the evening of the game, it can leave a team scrambling especially if they are on the road. In the case of the Blackhawks once they were at least lucky enough in being able to track down recent collegiate grad Eric Semborski with the help of the Flyers while in Philly. He was at least only a year removed from a four year career at Temple. While it was an ACHA program its certainly more favourable than who some teams have had to go with in the past. I think we can all agree tracking down an EBUG in some NHL cities is a lot easier than others.
Think of the uniqueness of a hockey goalie compared to other sports.
Football - QB is the key position. If both go down, generally one of the WR will go play QB as one of them likely was a QB in High School. Walter Payton played QB once for the Bears. But, it's normally a WR who is the emergency guy. Teams are not allowed to bring in their 3rd guy which for most teams is a Practice Squad player so they are not officially on the team. Aside from QB, you have a Kicker. Punter, the Kicker will do that job or another position if you need them to. Normally, you'd think a Punter can cover a Kicker, but I have seen Dallas use Heath their Safety as the Kicker over the Punter.
Basketball - no key position. Just going to put a smaller or bigger lineup if you run out of guards or big men.
Baseball - likely if it's a long extra innings game, and the manager doesn't want to risk any more relievers, he'll put in a position player to just throw to get the game over with. Those long extra inning games really kill your bullpen for the next 2 days. Or else you're hoping that the next day's starter goes the distance or you only require 1 reliever the next day.
Soccer - plenty of guys can play goalie if need be. No special equipment is needed aside from the gloves.
That's the 5 major team sports. Most skaters have never played goalie. So, hard to ask them to do it.
But, what teams should be telling their NHL goalie who is the last man before the EBUG is to don't risk any contact like Mrazek did in the game. Can't blame Clifford for racing for the puck. Mrazek can't put himself at risk after Reimer went down. He's the last guy they have. Burke told Hedberg before the game when Cloutier was not available for the game to stay in his net cause his backup is a UBC goalie. Well, Hedberg came rushing out like Mrazek did and got nailed. Ended up with a fractured wrist but he played the entire game.
At the end of the day, there are cities where it is way more difficult to find someone who is still playing some level of competitive hockey as a goalie. Like who does Carolina have to step in if this happened in Carolina?
Oddbob
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Nothing really needs to be addressed. This happens so infrequently, and the only reason there is even talk of needing to do something is cause it involves the Leafs. This is only the 2nd time in recent memory where a goalie even needed to come in and play significant time. If they do make a change, it should only be that the goalie chosen as the emergency guy should be younger than 40 for sure, and have played in organized hockey (not beer leagues) in the past 2-3 seasons.
LOL.... EBUGs rarely play in a game... Why does all of this need to happen for such a rare circumstance?
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Because he won the game. If he got lit up and lost, this would have all been forgotten by the next day and no changes would be necessary. Everyone is just overreacting to a freak event. He's happy as a clam. Let's all just enjoy it with him.
If this is a true TEAM sport, this is a non issue. The team dressed 20 players. Each hands him $250 and he gets $5000. Add $1000 from the HC and $500 from each assistant and he is at $7000 to bail the team out. This solution does not even include the management, who could easily make a fair compensation on their own.
DL44
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What's transpired over the last 72 hours is proof that absolutely nothing needs to change with the current system.
Just saw clip of the man on the Cobert Show and the Today Show FFS!
Now t-shirts?
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Just saw clip of the man on the Cobert Show and the Today Show FFS!
Now t-shirts?
It's a circus!
Keep it a circus.
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