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BonHoonLayneCornell

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When was the last time in the league a coach and GM were let go on the eve of training camp,
I’ll wait while you research the answer.
It's not a direct comparable since team ownership was changing hands at that time too, making it a more of a one off situation than a normal eve of training camp firing. They were dead men walking and well past expiry. Could have been easily justified for Dorion with his poor track record IF they had an interim already available and willing. They'd made their bed with DJ though.
 

Golden_Jet

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It's not a direct comparable since team ownership was changing hands at that time too, making it a more of a one off situation than a normal even of training camp firing. They were dead men walking and well past expiry. Could have been easily justified for Dorion with his poor track record IF they had an interim already available and willing. They'd made their bed with DJ though.
Agree, easier to let PD go than the coach then, but Tuna was on about both of them, which I disagreed with.
 
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There are some issues that were unavoidable.

We have to give out long-term contracts to players despite not winning anything yet because we are not a desirable destination and locking guys in offsets the risk of having guys leave immediately after hitting FA.

There isn't the same urgency for core guys when they have 8 kicks at the can in the back of their minds.
The danger of youth

You keep thinking you'll eventually get it

Then one day you wake up, you are old and realize you didn't get it
 

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I feel like Green is honest with them. They just lack pretty much any form of confidence.
For me, lack of confidence explains not finishing on their chances or playing as individuals instead of a team game. Does trying to win create too much pressure for them? If yes, then they're in Sabres territory.

Lack of situational awareness (nice way of saying being dumb) is also a huge issue IMO. Explains TMM penalties, line change issues, being scored on early/late in a period or right after they score.

Will be next to impossible to get out of their funk if they're not ready to continue doing the work like they did at the beginning of the season.
 

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Timmy's not a physical player that's not his game. He is playing physical which you should be the last guy you rely on the play physical. That says a lot about the rest of the team he could. Not a lot of players though because they're not a lot of guys on this team that are even capable of playing physical. That is some roster construction issues for sure. I was talking with my buddy the other day about how great Timmy's physical play is. Talk about a guy trying to do everything he can to help the team win while the rest of the guys watch.
I agree this is not a physical team so why try to make them play that way? Change the approach, adopt a neutral zone trap to slow down your opponents if you can't do it with speed or physicality. I thought someone said that was one of Green's strengths: getting the most of out each player based on his skills. Well, if that's the case, I'm just not seeing it.
 

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Its been called mental before. Too many players on this team are mentally weak. I said in a GDT that they need a best in class sports psychologist.
They can't get out of their own way. They are fragile. They don't have that clutch factor to rise to the occasion. They can't sustain it or they want to defer to someone else to sustain it for them.
Your last statement really explains the overpassing and constant puckwatching. Afraid to make a mistake, afraid to lose. Result: they make mistakes and they lose.
 
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Golden_Jet

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Timmy's not a physical player that's not his game. He is playing physical which you should be the last guy you rely on the play physical. That says a lot about the rest of the team he could. Not a lot of players though because they're not a lot of guys on this team that are even capable of playing physical. That is some roster construction issues for sure. I was talking with my buddy the other day about how great Timmy's physical play is. Talk about a guy trying to do everything he can to help the team win while the rest of the guys watch.
Timmy has played physical most of his time here, I think that is part of what makes his game. Each year improvement.
Last year he had 100 hits, this year will be higher again.

To say in OP
Tim Stützle: Skilled but not physical

Is disengenious to him imo.
 
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CorrectOpinion

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Bring back Boucher and King Karl and Stone, and Nick Paul and Conner Brown. Never sign those ridiculous contracts to Norris and Chabby,
 

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I just think we don't have enough talent and need to keep building the roster. Trade Norris for another Center who also needs a shakeup. We also need another top 6 forward. Retool the D a bit. Bring EK65 back.
 

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Build a time machine, go back in time; Don't lose Filip Gustavsson & Joey Daccord
Would have been hard to protect both of them at the expansion draft. It was ok to lose Daccord when we did; he was available later on waivers, and nobody picked him up. So maybe that was one opportunity to get him back.

But trading Gus for Talbot given where we were in our rebuild is the one that could have been avoided for sure.
 

BonHoonLayneCornell

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In the Seattle expansion draft they protected Gus, and exposed Murray and D’accord, Joey got chosen from Ottawa.

Then Gus became Talbot.
The protected list at the time sure shows the poor state of the organization in general. Watson, Mete and Zaitsev being protected is a hilarious look, even if Zaitsev was because of an NMC.

Protected list​

Forwards

Drake Batherson, Connor Brown, Logan Brown, Nick Paul, Brady Tkachuk, Auston Watson, Colin White.

Defence

Thomas Chabot, Victor Mete, Nikita Zaitsev.

Goaltender

Filip Gustavson.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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The protected list at the time sure shows the poor state of the organization in general. Watson, Mete and Zaitsev being protected is a hilarious look, even if Zaitsev was because of an NMC.

Protected list​

Forwards

Drake Batherson, Connor Brown, Logan Brown, Nick Paul, Brady Tkachuk, Auston Watson, Colin White.

Defence

Thomas Chabot, Victor Mete, Nikita Zaitsev.

Goaltender

Filip Gustavson.
What a terrible protected list
 
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I think what's funny about that list is that was the COVID season in the Canada division.

If you pro-rate to 82 games the team would have had 74 points.
The team is currently on pace for 75 points.

It's pretty obvious a lot of players on this team today are in their own heads making poor decisions in the offensive zone, defensive zone and neutral zone.
 
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