Value of: Elias Pettersson

[NVious]

I'm curious what do Canucks want for him without any retention?

 

[CTHabsfan]

Pettersson's contract includes a full no-move clause and is heavily front-loaded with signing bonuses, so it's not going to be easy to trade him, and I don't think he will come as cheap as many would suspect.

 

[DessertPenguin]

I am guessing between Pettersson's NMC limiting the options to trade him to only a few select teams and his recent performance on that contract, there will be no common ground to make a deal in the near future.

 

[StickShift]

Pettersson's contract includes a full no-move clause and is heavily front-loaded with signing bonuses, so it's not going to be easy to trade him, and I don't think he will come as cheap as many would suspect.

I don’t think EP40 would block a trade. All parties know it is time for a change.

 

[MoneyManny]

Nucks have no incentives to sell him for peanuts and interested teams would be crazy to give anything of real value for him so i think he stays.

 

[57special]

He will not be worth very much, unless he finishes the season off on an absolute tear. Six more years at 11.6M for a C with two 40 point seasons in a row, is not physical, and is poor on FO's? The guy appears to be damaged goods. Canucks should consider themselves lucky if they can give him away for free, but the reality is that they will probably have to take back a bad contract or two, together with a decent player, prospect, or a non lottery pick.

Two poor years in a row is a trend, not a blip.

 

[NVious]

I don’t think EP40 would block a trade. All parties know it is time for a change.

What do you guys want for him? Are you cool to just get out of the contract or wanting at least a 1st+?

 

[Hunter368]

Extremely hard to find a trade for him imo, even if he waved. Massive contract and massive risk

 

[57special]

Nucks have no incentives to sell him for peanuts and interested teams would be crazy to give anything of real value for him so i think he stays.

??? You're kidding right? Getting rid of a really bad contract is a huge deal. Maybe not for you, because it's not your money, but I guarantee that the owner will not be crazy about shelling out 70M over the next 6 years for a player that is worth about 30M.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

??? You're kidding right? Getting rid of a really bad contract is a huge deal. Maybe not for you, because it's not your money, but I guarantee that the owner will not be crazy about shelling out 70M over the next 6 years for a player that is worth about 30M.

Nobody is trading for Pettersson without sending money back. And Aquilini loses a lot more money the longer Vancouver stays bad. Dumping Pettersson for nothing guarantees that because despite his lack of production he's still a good player just an overpaid one.

The best course of action for the Canucks now is to pair Pettersson with MeKenna/Stenberg if they luck into either one of them and hope a resurgence plus the cap exploding creates a market for them.

 

[CTHabsfan]

I don’t think EP40 would block a trade. All parties know it is time for a change.

That doesn't mean Pettersson would be willing to go anywhere.

 

[Djp]

I'm curious what do Canucks want for him without any retention?

It’s not about what they want, it’s about what they even could get for a player significantly overpaid

 

[Dan Cloutiers Grin]

I don’t think EP40 would block a trade. All parties know it is time for a change.

Certainly, but that doesn't mean EP40 is willing to go anywhere VAN chooses to strike a deal with, he will still likely limit the options to places he wants to play in particular...

The best option would likely be if another team has a similar situation with another player - signed long term, but underperforming, seems like an uncomfortable fit, change of scenery bump possible on both sides.

The recent issues with McTavish in Anaheim are interesting from this point of view... no idea what the Ducks' interest in EP40 might look like, or if they really feel done with McTavish, but at the very least, sending 7M long term back to VAN to take EP40's contract makes the risk a lot more palatable than just taking the 11.6M on as a long-term cap addition. ANA is in a good position to take the risk, but again, no idea what actual interests they would have. Very interesting that these 2 players also happen to play the same position...

 

[tyhee]

Nucks have no incentives to sell him for peanuts and interested teams would be crazy to give anything of real value for him so i think he stays.

Especially in a cap era (though not to the same extent as when the cap was stagnant) getting out from under that contract is considerable incentive to move him. I'm one of that minority of Canuck fans that would move him for whatever the best offer is even though I'd expect him to improve soon after he gets out of Vancouver. I doubt, though, that the Canucks' management considers moving him a matter of great urgency with the cap expected to continue to rise.

Maybe someone will be willing to offer something of value to see how much Pettersson would improve with a chance of scenery.

 

[Djp]

Especially in a cap era (though not to the same extent as when the cap was stagnant) getting out from under that contract is considerable incentive to move him. I'm one of that minority of Canuck fans that would move him for whatever the best offer is even though I'd expect him to improve soon after he gets out of Vancouver. I doubt, though, that the Canucks' management considers moving him a matter of great urgency with the cap expected to continue to rise.

Maybe someone will be willing to offer something of value to see how much Pettersson would improve with a chance of scenery.

He’s not on a short contract to take a chance. His contract is pretty buy out proof.

Vancouver needs to retain about $4M or take back a contract like Frederic back in a trade to get any value.

 

[Rec T]

The recent issues with McTavish in Anaheim are interesting from this point of view... no idea what the Ducks' interest in EP40 might look like, or if they really feel done with McTavish,

Greater than zero but mathematically...not really.

Nope, for a variety of reasons some under his control, some not, he's sucked this year. He was healthy scratched for a whole two games to try to kick him out of his funk and he's back in the lineup already. With a summer focused on working on 'x' and a full training camp he should be much more like he was in previous years.

That's not to say he won't potentially be available in a package for a better player that fills a need for Anaheim and is of an age to fit in their just opening competitive window. From Vancouver that would be Hronek and not EP40 (yes I know he too has a full NMC and has publicly stated that he wants to stay through the rebuild, just that he'd be the one generating interest from down south).

 

[I am Canadian]

Could see him traded to Carolina for Kotkaniemi and a 2nd or something

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I can see him going to LA with the moves they’ve made and Kopitar retiring, he’d waive to go there as well with his new wife who does a lot of work out there. He’s a flashy lights kinda guy not a Hockey market guy.

 

[nogatco rd]

Nucks have no incentives to sell him for peanuts and interested teams would be crazy to give anything of real value for him so i think he stays.

If I was a team like last year’s Winnipeg Jets that looked like they were a 2C away from being a legit contender I’d be willing to part with a first + for him. The cap environment is so different from what it was a few years ago that the contract isn’t the dealbreaker it used to be.

 

[Chan790]

Could see him traded to Carolina for Kotkaniemi and a 2nd or something

Carolina has unambiguously wanted him for a long time and just as long, it feels like he just doesn't want to go there.

We also have no 2nd this year...last I looked, we had Dallas's 1st, San Jose's 4th, and 2 6ths in 2026. It'd have to be a spec.

He's my ideal 2C target, but equally I expect him to exercise his NMC or request a trade as soon as he gets turned around in Raleigh and can actually choose his ideal destination.

 

[Guitpik]

I can see him going to LA with the moves they’ve made and Kopitar retiring, he’d waive to go there as well with his new wife who does a lot of work out there. He’s a flashy lights kinda guy not a Hockey market guy.

The problems I see with this, I don’t see the Kings trading what Vancouver would ask for an in-division trade. Also, the Kings already have three contracts over $10.5M, I don’t see them taking on another long term. Especially given that he really isn’t living up to that cap hit.

 

[kings11]

The problems I see with this, I don’t see the Kings trading what Vancouver would ask for an in-division trade. Also, the Kings already have three contracts over $10.5M, I don’t see them taking on another long term. Especially given that he really isn’t living up to that cap hit.

What do you think the ask would be for guy who’s likely to post back to back sub 20g - 50pt seasons and appears to have quit on his team with a $11m+ cap hit?? In division or not, he isn’t worth Byfield or Clarke and certainly not this years 1st so what would be the ask?

 

[3074326]

Nobody is trading for Pettersson without sending money back. And Aquilini loses a lot more money the longer Vancouver stays bad. Dumping Pettersson for nothing guarantees that because despite his lack of production he's still a good player just an overpaid one.

The best course of action for the Canucks now is to pair Pettersson with MeKenna/Stenberg if they luck into either one of them and hope a resurgence plus the cap exploding creates a market for them.

Hard for me to believe that keeping the guy who clearly needs a change of scenery is the best option. Feels like you guys are going to be hoping he returns to form until he retires. I hope I'm wrong, he was fun to watch.

 

[Deranged Oreo]

The problems I see with this, I don’t see the Kings trading what Vancouver would ask for an in-division trade. Also, the Kings already have three contracts over $10.5M, I don’t see them taking on another long term. Especially given that he really isn’t living up to that cap hit.

Given the current state of Vancouver, an in division trade likely won’t raise the asking price.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Hard for me to believe that keeping the guy who clearly needs a change of scenery is the best option. Feels like you guys are going to be hoping he returns to form until he retires. I hope I'm wrong, he was fun to watch.

Oh, I think he inevitably gets traded. There's just no need to rush into it next season when we're likely drafting a potential star winger. Likewise, with the cap skyrocketing over the next few years, it's better to take our chances than trade him for pretty much nothing. Or worse, take on a bad contract while also getting back nothing.

It seems management is content with that for now too because at least regarding DeBursk whining about a rebuild he was basically told "play better so we can trade you if you want out that badly."