Elias Pettersson vs. Auston Matthews

[Dache]

This is the funny thing about analytics. It ignores scenerios on the ice such as:

Matthews 37% Defensive Zone starts year 1. 49% year 2.
Petey 29.5% Defensive Zone starts year 1. 38.6% year 2.

One was sheltered clearly a lot more than the other.

One is also a year younger.

That is the funny thing about analytics and why I rarely post them. They are easily twisted by both sides
Also those numbers are only even strength, and does that mean that Matthews has then been sheltered the last 2 seasons as his d zone starts have dropped to 41.6 and 40.5?

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Sure, there are a number of those, but then we’d also need a “voting for the leaf player no matter what” option and it will start to get very confusing

Haha I kind of feel like that ship has sailed. I think either 2 options or 10 are the way to go.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Who thinks its common knowledge? You?

You haven't provided any of your own stats u just say its common knowledge. Let other people do the arguing for you because you haven't brought anything to the table.

Why was Matthews receiving Selke votes in his first year? Is he that bad on d?

Matthews has a better chance of winning a selke than petey over his career and in the next couple years.

Not a chance. Matthews will not get close to a Selke while EP will be in the discussion for years to come. The gap in D play favours EP as much as the goal scoring gap favours Matthews, if not more.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

It's worth noting Matthews played in a much lower scoring league in his first two years as well. The baseline for metrics such as GA/60 or xGA/60 was much higher in Pettersson's first two seasons, so the fact that Pettersson still posted lower numbers just shows how wide the gap is.

Maybe you can differentiate why Naturalstattrick lists both "Defensive zone starts/60" and "Defensive zone faceoffs/60". Based on the name, they sound like the same thing. But the numbers for each are vastly different (the start category being much lower than the faceoff category).

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Not a chance. Matthews will not get close to a Selke while EP will be in the discussion for years to come. The gap in D play favours EP as much as the goal scoring gap favours Matthews, if not more.

You haven't watched a single game Matthews has played have you?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You haven't watched a single game Matthews has played have you?

Watched a lot of his games. He’s average defensively but to his credit at least started to play some defense this past year. In his second year he was pretty weak defensively and well behind EP at the same stage in their careers. He’s still not nearly as good defensively as EP. You obviously haven’t watched the Canucks play if you can’t see the gap between the two.
Check back in another couple of years when EP is in the mix for the Selke and Matthews is well out if it.
There’s valid reasons to pick Matthews here but playmaking and defensive play are not valid arguments at all imo. When you start trotting out plus/minus as an argument it’s pretty clear you don’t really have a leg to stand on.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Watched a lot of his games. He’s average defensively but to his credit at least started to play some defense this past year. In his second year he was pretty weak defensively and well behind EP at the same stage in their careers. He’s still not nearly as good defensively as EP. You obviously haven’t watched the Canucks play if you can’t see the gap between the two.
Check back in another couple of years when EP is in the mix for the Selke and Matthews is well out if it.
There’s valid reasons to pick Matthews here but playmaking and defensive play are not valid arguments at all imo. When you start trotting out plus/minus as an argument it’s pretty clear you don’t really have a leg to stand on.

I watch every canucks and leafs game and petey is pretty average defensively himself. Miller is the defensive driver on that line. Petey doesn't even take faceoffs really hes more of a winger.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I watch every canucks and leafs game and petey is pretty average defensively himself. Miller is the defensive driver on that line. Petey doesn't even take faceoffs really hes more of a winger.

If you watch every game (I’m sceptical that you do) and come to that conclusion then I don’t think you’re a very good judge of defensive play. Pettersson is already elite defensively according to all advanced stats. He’s already far ahead of Matthews at the same age. Your argument essentially comes down to plus/minute and face off %. I mean we’re all homers to an extent but that’s just a terrible take.

 

[MrOT]

I watch every canucks and leafs game and petey is pretty average defensively himself. Miller is the defensive driver on that line. Petey doesn't even take faceoffs really hes more of a winger.

Lol
I'd say EP is the typical center style wise - playmaker, cerebral, 2-way play
Matthews isn't as typical - goal scorer, more physical, lesser playmaker

Question: Do you watch ice hockey?

Faceoffs... lol

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Lol
I'd say EP is the typical center style wise - playmaker, cerebral, 2-way play
Matthews isn't as typical - goal scorer, more physical, lesser playmaker

Question: Do you watch ice hockey?

Faceoffs... lol

Petey seems to defensively defer to JT Miller match up wise.

 

[34]

This is easily Matthews and it is not close!!! Like not close.

Matthews is the best young pure goal scorer in the NHL. No contest here. This is not an opinion, no one has scored more goals in the NHL than Matthews since he entered the league other than OV.

Pettersson is a full tier below here.

 

[Halla]

did petersson play game 6 or 7?

harder to score on a goalie that can actually make a routine save eh?

Matthews AINEC. see yall next year!

 

[6ix]

did petersson play game 6 or 7?

harder to score on a goalie that can actually make a routine save eh?

Matthews AINEC. see yall next year!

yeah time to lock this thread up after Pettersson’s invisible acts the last 2 elimination games. I was told he makes everyone better but over 11 mins powerplay time and I didn’t hear his name once

 

[Legion34]

Wait. This was a question?

 

[Sky04]

did petersson play game 6 or 7?

harder to score on a goalie that can actually make a routine save eh?

Matthews AINEC. see yall next year!

Yeah he did, it was in round 2 though so it's something you as a leafs fan might not know about.

 

[Sky04]

Auston Matthews vs Columbus in game 5 of the notintheplayoffs round:

AUG 9

0

0

0

-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Rowlet]

did petersson play game 6 or 7?

harder to score on a goalie that can actually make a routine save eh?

Matthews AINEC. see yall next year!

Did you actually watch the goals or did you just check the scoreboard? Pettersson had two key screens in g6 that led to goals in the third.

 

[Stamkos4life]

yeah time to lock this thread up after Pettersson’s invisible acts the last 2 elimination games. I was told he makes everyone better but over 11 mins powerplay time and I didn’t hear his name once

did petersson play game 6 or 7?

harder to score on a goalie that can actually make a routine save eh?

Matthews AINEC. see yall next year!

Matthews had 0 points during game 5 this year and 0 points in both game 7's for 2019 and 2018.

 

[Sky04]

Matthews had 0 points during game 5 this year and 0 points in both game 7's for 2019 and 2018.

Yikes, no wonder the leafs continually lose in round 1. 11M no show.

 

[6ix]

Yikes, no wonder the leafs continually lose in round 1. 11M no show.

Yikes, bucs signing Leonard Fournette is bigger news than the lightning in the ECF

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

Did you actually watch the goals or did you just check the scoreboard? Pettersson had two key screens in g6 that led to goals in the third.

Nevermind his play in all 3 zones.

Only so much he can do with complete passengers on his team.

 

[Bgav]

did petersson play game 6 or 7?

harder to score on a goalie that can actually make a routine save eh?

Matthews AINEC. see yall next year!

Imagine not even winning in the play-in round and saying this. LOL clown

 

[Sky04]

Yikes, bucs signing Leonard Fournette is bigger news than the lightning in the ECF

Made some big news in Toronto considering a team wearing blue doesn't advance there ever

 

[6ix]

Made some big news in Toronto considering a team wearing blue doesn't advance there ever

No, the news in Toronto is all raptors at the moment. Rightfully so as they’ve earned it as defending world champions.

 

[Redwingsfan]

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