Player Discussion Elias Pettersson | The Forward. Not the defensemen.

[Felix the Cat Potvin]

I watched his start of training camp interview (the one where he talked about his knee) and didn't get that impression at all. Thought he was polite and flashed some smiles along the way. I'm sure there are other interviews where he seemed tired and irritated, but that certainly wasn't the impression I got from watching his first interview back from the summer break.

Well, people can take what they want from an interview. Paterson, who was in the room with him, said at the time that "he didn't seem excited to see us" and Sekeres thought the same as I did, that "he didn't sound very recharged" (both quotes from September 20 S&P show). I had the same impression as them, and his interviews have gotten worse since then.

 

[rypper]

Well, people can take what they want from an interview. Paterson, who was in the room with him, said at the time that "he didn't seem excited to see us" and Sekeres thought the same as I did, that "he didn't sound very recharged" (both quotes from September 20 S&P show). I had the same impression as them, and his interviews have gotten worse since then.

I think Pettersson was just puzzled by Jeff Paterson's lack of shoulders and how he's able to support his head.

 

[nuxnux1]

I'm sure he could be persuaded to waive it to come back here.

And I cannot emphasize enough that if trading J.T. means losing Quinn, its not even a question of who we drop: Petey.

Where is it said that if jt is gone Quinn wants out?

 

[Hodgy]

Apparently Halford and Brough said on their show today that there is a rumour Petey came into camp out of shape and that Miller called him out. This would make sense in that it would be added reason for Miller to criticize and be hard on Pettersson, ultimately leading to the LOA, and would also help to explain Pettersson's atrocious play and poor Edge speed numbers. Its also consistent with Alvin's comments about how Pettersson needs to prepare better, etc. To be fair to Pettersson, he did say he had to train around his knee, so perhaps that was partly what led to him coming into camp out of shape. With that said, it seems clear that manaement, coaching, and probably Miller, don't think Pettersson's injury is anything more than very minor and not an excuse.

I mean, maybe she's right that Pettersson is "burnt out". But I don't think thats going to play well to anyone when you just signed an 8 year by 11.6 million dollar contract. Unfortunately, you've got to figure out a way to perform even if you are burnt out, or even perform to a better degree than Pettersson has.

 

[racerjoe]

Apparently Halford and Brough said on their show today that there is a rumour Petey came into camp out of shape and that Miller called him out. This would make sense in that it would be added reason for Miller to criticize and be hard on Pettersson, ultimately leading to the LOA, and would also help to explain Pettersson's atrocious play and poor Edge speed numbers. Its also consistent with Alvin's comments about how Pettersson needs to prepare better, etc. To be fair to Pettersson, he did say he had to train around his knee, so perhaps that was partly what led to him coming into camp out of shape. With that said, it seems clear that manaement, coaching, and probably Miller, don't think Pettersson's injury is anything more than very minor and not an excuse.


I mean, maybe she's right that Pettersson is "burnt out". But I don't think thats going to play well to anyone when you just signed an 8 year by 11.6 million dollar contract. Unfortunately, you've got to figure out a way to perform even if you are burnt out, or even perform to a better degree than Pettersson has.

This coincides in General with what I have been saying, but I do think it’s been more injury recovery. I think Pettersson injury from last year was more legit, but the old school guys don’t think it is legit… hence the difference in opinion on it. As you noted, if he is having to change how he trained that is serious, if he has been such a hard worker, as per everything we heard until now, seems weird to suddenly change. Oth those points add up to me it was a more serious injury.

 

[Hodgy]

This coincides in General with what I have been saying, but I do think it’s been more injury recovery. I think Pettersson injury from last year was more legit, but the old school guys don’t think it is legit… hence the difference in opinion on it. As you noted, if he is having to change how he trained that is serious, if he has been such a hard worker, as per everything we heard until now, seems weird to suddenly change. Oth those points add up to me it was a more serious injury.

Ya, I agree with some of this, but we really don't know how severe or insignificant the injury was/is. The fact that he trained around it can be interpreted to mean its significant, but it can also just mean that he intentionally tried not to do certain exercises that would exasperate the injury (i.e., let it heal). But you can be lazy and be training around an injury. Not saying that's the case. Who knows.

 

[racerjoe]

Ya, I agree with some of this, but we really don't know how severe or insignificant the injury was/is. The fact that he trained around it can be interpreted to mean its significant, but it can also just mean that he intentionally tried not to do certain exercises that would exasperate the injury (i.e., let it heal). But you can be lazy and be training around an injury. Not saying that's the case. Who knows.

I would agree with the tweets you quoted earlier, if he was lazy, which we for sure don’t know, it just seems off brand.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I have wondered if he was frustrated by the slow recovery of his knee and didn't train 'properly' due to that.

For me, I don't even consider trading Petey right now if he's been playing through injury and then subsequently been 'out of shape'.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Not exactly a secret that he hasn't put in the work. ever since his rookie season, he has been regularly showing up to camp full blown bambi on ice. Used to be able to follow all these guys day to day on instagram, it was always a contrast with EP vs pretty much everyone else. The whole room knows that even a modest performance from Pettersson gets them in the WCF.

Hughes is more of a lead by example type, same as Bo. The players beneath EP on the depth chart aren't going to be taking a hard line on him.

Leaving Miller, who has had to watch his previous team win cups, has had his 2 best seasons squandered by EP's worst, and knows he has less time in the league than the youngins. Yea I doubt he sugarcoated it much.

 

[hotshot1]

If you have to be almost traded to sign and then you lay an egg in the playoffs, then you have to come prepared to play the next season.

If you look at the hero archetype, you go through failure and disappointment, and you use it as fuel to get better. He hasn't done that and there's absolutely no excuse when you have a top 5 cap hit. He's done the opposite, which is to let failure and disappointment destroy his confidence.

I watched an interview where Quinn talked about his shot. He talked about how he's been working on it during the summers and how he was starting to see improvement. That's as clear as day for me- his shot is way better than his rookie season. What's Petey improved? He was way more dynamic in every way as a rookie. Where are the stories of him packing muscle and getting better balanced on his skates?

Do you guys think he's going to lead the team through 4 rounds of grueling playoff hockey? I just don't see it.

EDIT: Spelling

 

[sting101]

Well at least the one's defending Pettersson are doing a much better job at showing compassion to all types of people and personalities? Wow

 

[rog4tdf]

It literally isn't. It's based on a misunderstanding of packs of wolves so it's not even based off of a real thing. And then trying to over simplify,, even if it was real, into humans is just nonsense. It's astrology for boys.

It's just another word for "leader." Which obviously exists. Some players are obvious leaders. The sedins for example. Linden. Pettersson is the opposite. He's whiny, petulent, folds at the first sign of adversity.

He's probably in the top 3 most naturally gifted hockey players to ever wear a canucks uniform, but his problem is between his ears.

 

[4th line culture]

Nah, people being proud to say those things again IS the recovery.

whatever helps you heal. The bad men cant hurt you anymore

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I would guess the team wasn’t satisfied with whatever training program he was on over the summer that involved working around his supposed knee issues, which the team also seems to debate.


World’s least self-indulgent post.

Relationship between management and player seems to be completely in the shitter.

 

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