Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[Reverend Mayhem]

The only thing I don't get is why since the PP bomb has been covered better, why not throw a guy down low cross-ice and just fake one-T and slap pass to them? A guy like Garland in that spot'd have 40 no problem like this.

 

[Hodgy]

That is consistent with your criticism of him so would not expect anything else from you.

So you think Pettersson is getting into lots of scoring positions but he isn’t using his shot because he’s injured? Are we watching the same player?

 

[TropicOfNoReturn]

His compareables were other 24yr old 100p selke candidat franchise centers

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has had a 100pt season. Is he also a comparable?
One 100 point season does not mean a player will do that every year. He's never cracked 90 in a season outside that one. And I suspect never will again.

His highest Selke placing was 7th in 2022-23. Respectable, for sure, but he's never really gotten within realistic striking distance of winning it.

"Franchise Centre" is subjective, of course, but to me a guy that plays like a mediocre 2C for over a calendar year is not one.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Really don't care about the room vibes.

Looking at Pettersson's game by game log and it is actually infuriating. The guy has got to go no matter what. Can't carry what he's been bringing (since signing the extension) at $11.5M.

What makes it even worse is that it seems he's deciding when he wants to play lately - just unacceptable, no matter who what else anyone is doing.

It is? Then they should be trading everyone not named Hughes. Nobody is going well here. Tocchet 'they [team] looked exhausted and I don't know why'.

Pettersson is playing injured. There's no way his acceleration drops from 94% to bottom 10% without it. None. We have to accept this, but what remains in contention is the level of play we should expect while he is injured. PPG? That would be an increase from his 60P/82G performance. PPG on this team with their 32nd ranked xGF would be a feat in of itself imo.

Expectations have to align with what the team is doing and what the player is showing. He's not likely to live up to his $11.6m billing right now given those factors.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has had a 100pt season. Is he also a comparable?
One 100 point season does not mean a player will do that every year. He's never cracked 90 in a season outside that one. And I suspect never will again.

His highest Selke placing was 7th in 2022-23. Respectable, for sure, but he's never really gotten within realistic striking distance of winning it.

"Franchise Centre" is subjective, of course, but to me a guy that plays like a mediocre 2C for over a calendar year is not one.

I had it on good authority that Pettersson would crack 100 points before he ever did so, back in his down year of 2021-22 (68 points in 80 games). This was due to his ELC PPG rate. (Though no one dared voice it then)

Now that he has cracked 100 points playing with famed linemates Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Hoglander et. al, he never will again? His 68 point year was followed by his 102 point year. Do you really want to make the bet he never gets to 100 again for his career?

The same people who were confident in 2021-22 should be just as confident in 2024-25. You know, if they're not being hypocritical.

 

[arttk]

It’s definitely not stat watching to say Pettersson was bad in the playoffs. In fact, that’s probably an understatement. He was closer to terrible. And he even took accountability for his play in the end of season press conference.

The exact cause of his poor play has been debated on here as nauseum, but I don’t think anyone has actually suggested his play wasn’t poor.



Why he isn’t getting into a position to use his shot more regularly is a separate issue, of course. But I do still think he isn’t moving his feet enough and isn’t attacking enough with the puck.

I find it funny that everyone can identify that oh he’s not moving his feet enough and when somebody brings up, well yeah he has a knee injury and he’s slower and lack acceleration. You guys just ignore it as if nah, why would speed of all things affect performance in the game of hockey.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has had a 100pt season. Is he also a comparable?
One 100 point season does not mean a player will do that every year. He's never cracked 90 in a season outside that one. And I suspect never will again.

His highest Selke placing was 7th in 2022-23. Respectable, for sure, but he's never really gotten within realistic striking distance of winning it.

"Franchise Centre" is subjective, of course, but to me a guy that plays like a mediocre 2C for over a calendar year is not one.

there is a difference between being the leading scorer of the team and having 100 points vs RNH getting 100 when McD and Draisaitl are putting up like 140+.

 

[Hodgy]

It is? Then they should be trading everyone not named Hughes. Nobody is going well here. Tocchet 'they [team] looked exhausted and I don't know why'.

Pettersson is playing injured. There's no way his acceleration drops from 94% to bottom 10% without it. None. We have to accept this, but what remains in contention is the level of play we should expect while he is injured. PPG? That would be an increase from his 60P/82G performance. PPG on this team with their 32nd ranked xGF would be a feat in of itself imo.

Expectations have to align with what the team is doing and what the player is showing. He's not likely to live up to his $11.6m billing right now given those factors.

Small correction, but I think he’s got 56 points over his last 82 games inclusive of playoffs.

 

[nowhereman]

He saved the freaking Nashville series with that backcheck on the Sissons empty net miss but you most likely only watched the stats and not the game. That miss changed momentum and allowed us to do an epic comeback.

Anyone who "watched the games" saw a player who was even less consequential than his stateline. And that backcheck really wasn't all that impressive and certainly doesn't make up for a monumentally disappointing playoffs.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

So you think Pettersson is getting into lots of scoring positions but he isn’t using his shot because he’s injured? Are we watching the same player?

Lets not do this.

Nothing will come of it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It is? Then they should be trading everyone not named Hughes. Nobody is going well here. Tocchet 'they [team] looked exhausted and I don't know why'.

Pettersson is playing injured. There's no way his acceleration drops from 94% to bottom 10% without it. None. We have to accept this, but what remains in contention is the level of play we should expect while he is injured. PPG? That would be an increase from his 60P/82G performance. PPG on this team with their 32nd ranked xGF would be a feat in of itself imo.

Expectations have to align with what the team is doing and what the player is showing. He's not likely to live up to his $11.6m billing right now given those factors.

Many people here rather spend their waking hours thinking about every other reason (plausable or not) for his bad play. Just not injury. It must not be injury. Because of reasons

 

[mriswith]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has had a 100pt season. Is he also a comparable?
One 100 point season does not mean a player will do that every year. He's never cracked 90 in a season outside that one. And I suspect never will again.

His highest Selke placing was 7th in 2022-23. Respectable, for sure, but he's never really gotten within realistic striking distance of winning it.

"Franchise Centre" is subjective, of course, but to me a guy that plays like a mediocre 2C for over a calendar year is not one.

RNH didn't even break 50 ES points that year. He farmed off of passing the puck to McDrai on the PP. Fakest 100 point season in ages.

5 out of the last 6 seasons EP outpaced RNH's 100 point season at even strength.

EP had averaged ~85 points over 82 games for his entire career when he signed his deal. His selke recognition was hurt because of the 21-22 year but until his slump he was getting back into that conversation.

He doesn't have to hit new highs or even match his previous bests to be worth his deal. Playing at the average level of his career prior to his slump last year makes his deal worth it.

He needs to reverse the current slump or we're screwed. A full calendar year of this is a nightmare, as is how freaking bad the entire team is this year. But we don't need to retcon his career because he's slumping right now.