Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

The problem with some fans is they get to emotionally attached to certain players and can't let go, then find excuse after excuse to defend them when it's clear as day they're not playing or producing at the level they're supposed to be doing.

Like the slow starts for an example, it's something that has been happening under the last 3 coaches, but for some reason I keep seeing posts from people saying the Canucks need to get ride of Tocchet and bring in a new coach. Let's not blame the core players who have been playing under those 3 coaches, just blame the coach again. This kind of logic is just getting old and sad, again because some just like certain players too much, and can't accept it's time to move on from some.


Another example Canucks PP has been mediocre for the last 4-5 years, we all see it, too much passing trying to make the perfect play, slow not quick enough with these players. The one thing that stood out in that Ottawa game was how dominant their powerplay looked, and they're not a top team in the league, but their powerplay looked like a top team. What's even more funny about that is 2 of their coaches are ex Canucks coaches, yet I don't remember seeing the Canucks core players looking that dominant on the PP under those coaches when they were here. The core of the Canucks is not the right fit, it's time to move on from them, and some just need to start accepting this.

 

[racerjoe]

The problem with some fans is they get to emotionally attached to certain players and can't let go, then find excuse after excuse to defend them when it's clear as day they're not playing or producing at the level they're supposed to be doing.

Like the slow starts for an example, it's something that has been happening under the last 3 coaches, but for some reason I keep seeing posts from people saying the Canucks need to get ride of Tocchet and bring in a new coach. Let's not blame the core players who have been playing under those 3 coaches, just blame the coach again. This kind of logic is just getting old and sad, again because some just like certain players too much, and can't accept it's time to move on from some.


Another example Canucks PP has been mediocre for the last 4-5 years, we all see it, too much passing trying to make the perfect play, slow not quick enough with these players. The one thing that stood out in that Ottawa game was how dominant their powerplay looked, and they're not a top team in the league, but their powerplay looked like a top team. What's even more funny about that is 2 of their coaches are ex Canucks coaches, yet I don't remember seeing the Canucks core players looking that dominant on the PP under those coaches when they were here. The core of the Canucks is not the right fit, it's time to move on from them, and some just need to start accepting this.

While much of what you have said is true, it’s kind of the opposite of what is happening here.

I don’t think anyone here is saying he is playing well.

Many here noticed how he looked last year in his slump and said he was injured. Then the other side declared he was not, and even after a ton of evidence they said he wasn’t injured and it was just Petey being a malcontent. Then it came out he actually was injured.

He has had a slow start this year, no doubt, again I don’t think anyone would disagree.

But you have many of the same people from last year saying it is just mental, and he is a malcontent. While there is no doubt some will come from confidence and be mental, you have many noting it seems to be from recovery from said injury. Pointing to skating stats shooting stats. Then going on to say this is being also compounded by the complete lack of puck moving defense.

I don’t think it would be nearly as big of a debate if it wasn’t largely the same crowd from last year saying the same thing even after being proven wrong. Then it gets even more compounded by a huge double standard on other players.

I think everyone in here can agree Pettersson can be better. It’s the why that is most in contention.

 

[F A N]

I think you just need to look at Twitter, other online spaces, or even this very forum to see fans vilifying the local media wherever possible.

Maybe I am missing the personal attacks and obviously there are people who thinks everything they post online is fine and one shouldn't be triggered. But my general perception is that our local media guys are relatively well liked. Maybe I'm just ignorant here and missing a lot.

 

[lawrence]

Maybe I am missing the personal attacks and obviously there are people who thinks everything they post online is fine and one shouldn't be triggered. But my general perception is that our local media guys are relatively well liked. Maybe I'm just ignorant here and missing a lot.

Which media guys ? Servelli is a clown

 

[4th line culture]

Which media guys ? Servelli is a clown

Hes local?

 

[lawrence]

Hes local?

He’s from Edmonton

 

[racerjoe]

He’s from Edmonton

Is Edmonton local?

 

[Bleach Clean]

He’s from Edmonton

Philadelphia

 

[F A N]

The problem with some fans is they get to emotionally attached to certain players and can't let go, then find excuse after excuse to defend them when it's clear as day they're not playing or producing at the level they're supposed to be doing.

Like the slow starts for an example, it's something that has been happening under the last 3 coaches, but for some reason I keep seeing posts from people saying the Canucks need to get ride of Tocchet and bring in a new coach. Let's not blame the core players who have been playing under those 3 coaches, just blame the coach again. This kind of logic is just getting old and sad, again because some just like certain players too much, and can't accept it's time to move on from some.

Ya it's weird. It's not like this core group hasn't gotten off to quick start. I'm not sure there is a noticeable pattern either like Luongo was historically a slow starter, But I guess like many teams the excitement (over playing for a new coach) fades.

While the HC is always responsible somewhat, part of the old cliche ways to evaluate a coach is how he prepares his players to play and one of the criteria is performance on the road which the Canucks have actualy been good at this year.

Another example Canucks PP has been mediocre for the last 4-5 years, we all see it, too much passing trying to make the perfect play, slow not quick enough with these players. The one thing that stood out in that Ottawa game was how dominant their powerplay looked, and they're not a top team in the league, but their powerplay looked like a top team. What's even more funny about that is 2 of their coaches are ex Canucks coaches, yet I don't remember seeing the Canucks core players looking that dominant on the PP under those coaches when they were here. The core of the Canucks is not the right fit, it's time to move on from them, and some just need to start accepting this.

I wouldn't say our PP has been mediocre. In 19-20 we ranked 4th in PP%. 2020 we sucked, 2021 we finished 9th. We've been #11-12 since.

Which media guys ? Servelli is a clown

My impression was that aside from Sekeres our local media guys are relatively well liked. I don't consider Serevalli local.