Player Discussion Elias Lindholm

[False Start]

I asked if people here thought Loui Eriksson's career in Boston was more impressive compared to Lindholms or not and the answer was split at best.

Most people who want him to justify the 7.8 million will probably wait until year 3 when he puts up 65 points and go "SEE told you he's worth it!"

3 years later when 7.8 million is that of a 2-3rd line center.

Which means those first three years were terrible value anyway. And now he's 33.

Would love to be proven wrong btw. I don't root for him to fail.

 

[Hookslide]

I would take that bet...he is a much better player than you are giving him credit for.

I am more against the contract, that cap space could have been used much than it was. I am not against him personally, I just don't think he was the player that was needed, Sweeney would have been better served not trying to sign him as a first liner last year and gone after wingers and then when a real #1 center came along he could move on him. Remember he was going to be big improvement to help the PP, he failed at that also.

 

[Over the volcano]

I am more against the contract, that cap space could have been used much than it was. I am not against him personally, I just don't think he was the player that was needed, Sweeney would have been better served not trying to sign him as a first liner last year and gone after wingers and then when a real #1 center came along he could move on him. Remember he was going to be big improvement to help the PP, he failed at that also.

Who's the real #1 that they missed out on last year or this upcoming off season because of Lindholm?

 

[PlayMakers]

Now that Elias is playing better and seems rejuvenated, how many points do you think he would put up if he was centering a second line (i.e.without Pasta)?

I’m asking because there’s been talk lately of adding Pettersson or Zibanejad… if they landed a legit 1C and bumped Lindholm down, what are we looking at? Who would be the best wings for him? Marchand again? He produced well with Raymond and Leo Carlsson…

(And yes I know you could just ask the new 1C to center the second line, but coaches like options.)

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Now that Elias is playing better and seems rejuvenated, how many points do you think he would put up if he was centering a second line (i.e.without Pasta)?

I’m asking because there’s been talk lately of adding Pettersson or Zibanejad… if they landed a legit 1C and bumped Lindholm down, what are we looking at? Who would be the best wings for him? Marchand again? He produced well with Raymond and Leo Carlsson…

(And yes I know you could just ask the new 1C to center the second line, but coaches like options.)

I have no confidence that Lindholm would be able to manufacture points with anything left that we could afford on the second line.

Who is exiting in the deal for EP?

If you could somehow get Ehlers here, you MAY have a shot. But man… that’s tough.

 

[PlayMakers]

I have no confidence that Lindholm would be able to manufacture points with anything left that we could afford on the second line.

Who is exiting in the deal for EP?

If you could somehow get Ehlers here, you MAY have a shot. But man… that’s tough.

I’ve asked @Coach Parker 3 times if he thinks a Swayman for Pettersson swap makes sense, but he keeps duckin me.

I like the idea of Ehlers-Lindholm as a base for the second line. If they could add a physical winger they could have something.

 

[BruinDust]

Now that Elias is playing better and seems rejuvenated, how many points do you think he would put up if he was centering a second line (i.e.without Pasta)?

I’m asking because there’s been talk lately of adding Pettersson or Zibanejad… if they landed a legit 1C and bumped Lindholm down, what are we looking at? Who would be the best wings for him? Marchand again? He produced well with Raymond and Leo Carlsson…

(And yes I know you could just ask the new 1C to center the second line, but coaches like options.)

If they brought in Petterson without any major subtractions, I'd just put Zacha back inbetween Pasta and Geekie and have Petterson on LW with Lindholm as his center.

You bring in Petterson as the team's No.2 forward only use him with Pasta as the nuclear option. Most of the time they should be on separate lines.

 

[Coach Parker]

I’ve asked @Coach Parker 3 times if he thinks a Swayman for Pettersson swap makes sense, but he keeps duckin me.

I like the idea of Ehlers-Lindholm as a base for the second line. If they could add a physical winger they could have something.

I honestly missed this.

I'd much rather keep both, fully confidant that:

1. Both have serious rebound years.
2. Lindholm's best year is coming.
3. Zadorov will be a fan favourite in the playoffs.

Now, to get the scoring to make the playoffs possible.

 

[PlayMakers]

If they brought in Petterson without any major subtractions, I'd just put Zacha back inbetween Pasta and Geekie and have Petterson on LW with Lindholm as his center.

Gross.

 

[Greek_physique]

I’ve asked @Coach Parker 3 times if he thinks a Swayman for Pettersson swap makes sense, but he keeps duckin me.

I like the idea of Ehlers-Lindholm as a base for the second line. If they could add a physical winger they could have something.

Ehlers is someone that i want to stay away from.

If you only look at him on the back of a hockey card, he looks like a 2nd line player...but down the stretch with the Jets, he got the 7th highest ice time for any forward...that's a concern to me.

 

[PlayMakers]

Ehlers is someone that i want to stay away from.

If you only look at him on the back of a hockey card, he looks like a 2nd line player...but down the stretch with the Jets, he got the 7th highest ice time for any forward...that's a concern to me.

That's kind of a weird stat. It's not like Winnipeg was trying to make the playoffs down the stretch. They could have been resting their top guys. He could have been nursing an injury... He was 5th in TOI per game in the playoffs for them.

What makes me nervous about Ehlers is his age, he's 29 so he'll be 30 before you know it, his health, and he hasn't typically been a good playoff producer. Though I will say he was good this year, with 5 goals and 7 points in 8 games.

But all UFA's have warts. If the Bruins don't sign Marner because he can't get it done in the playoffs and they don't sign Boeser because he's inconsistent and they don't sign Marchand because he's too old, and they don't sign Ehlers because he's injured for 15 games a year and they don't sign Bennett because he's not a play driver and they don't sign anyone over 30 because they're over 30... there's nothing left. We can't afford to give up assets to make trades. At some point you have to pick the guy who fits best and take a chance.

 

[BruinDust]

Gross.

Geekie-Zacha-Pasta worked just fine as a line. Meanwhile, are you paying Petterson 10 million plus for his point production or his defense and two-way play? He played some wing in Van when they had Miller.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Now that Elias is playing better and seems rejuvenated, how many points do you think he would put up if he was centering a second line (i.e.without Pasta)?

I’m asking because there’s been talk lately of adding Pettersson or Zibanejad… if they landed a legit 1C and bumped Lindholm down, what are we looking at? Who would be the best wings for him? Marchand again? He produced well with Raymond and Leo Carlsson…

(And yes I know you could just ask the new 1C to center the second line, but coaches like options.)

I think in order to answer your question we need to know a) who’s above him and what does that mean for how teams match up against the bruins - ie, how much pressure is focused on the second line

And b) who his line mates are

 

[Dicky113]

That's kind of a weird stat. It's not like Winnipeg was trying to make the playoffs down the stretch. They could have been resting their top guys. He could have been nursing an injury... He was 5th in TOI per game in the playoffs for them.

What makes me nervous about Ehlers is his age, he's 29 so he'll be 30 before you know it, his health, and he hasn't typically been a good playoff producer. Though I will say he was good this year, with 5 goals and 7 points in 8 games.

But all UFA's have warts. If the Bruins don't sign Marner because he can't get it done in the playoffs and they don't sign Boeser because he's inconsistent and they don't sign Marchand because he's too old, and they don't sign Ehlers because he's injured for 15 games a year and they don't sign Bennett because he's not a play driver and they don't sign anyone over 30 because they're over 30... there's nothing left. We can't afford to give up assets to make trades. At some point you have to pick the guy who fits best and take a chance.

You nailed it without realizing it. Free agency isn’t the answer. We are in full rebuild mode; we need to build through drafting and accept we are going to be really bad for 3-5 years, then hopefully start competing again with a new core built through the draft. Adding high salary players that are known to have big issues doesn’t help and will only prolong the rebuild; we go that route we could end up brutal for a decade or more

 

[Five Hole]

I am more against the contract, that cap space could have been used much than it was. I am not against him personally, I just don't think he was the player that was needed, Sweeney would have been better served not trying to sign him as a first liner last year and gone after wingers and then when a real #1 center came along he could move on him. Remember he was going to be big improvement to help the PP, he failed at that also.

You clearly have a predisposed dislike of this contract and that appears to be leading you to a bit of confirmation bias.

Just curious, what type of production would change your mind?

Would 60pts move your needle? 65, 70, 80…what does he have to do to earn his contract in your eyes?

I get that you don’t believe he can live up to the term on this deal but just from a “one season at a time” standpoint…what gets you off the ledge?

 

[Kegs]

I’ve asked @Coach Parker 3 times if he thinks a Swayman for Pettersson swap makes sense, but he keeps duckin me.

I like the idea of Ehlers-Lindholm as a base for the second line. If they could add a physical winger they could have something.

Like Brady Martin?