Player Discussion Elias Lindholm

[Hookslide]

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Never know but looks like he's peaked to me. And he'll be 31. 3C going forward in my eyes.

He might be a solid 3 C...... A very high priced 3C

 

[Dr Hook]

I will say it again, he is not worth that contract.

Not debating that, just that I don't think 60 points for him on a top 6 line with good players on a team that isn't a complete shitshow is not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Over the volcano]

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Never know but looks like he's peaked to me. And he'll be 31. 3C going forward in my eyes.

Looks like a double peak to me, hopefully there is a third

 

[Bruin4]

Looks like a double peak to me, hopefully there is a third

Looks like a Pasta peak to me

 

[wintersej]

He has had 2 terrific years in career, and one other season that he had sixty points, he is getting older and other than those three years he never sniffed sixty points and doubt he ever does again. Good player, an overrated player and certainly an overpaid player.

78 in 81
54 in 70 (63 point pace, COVID season, he played every game)
46 in 56 (67 point pace, COVID season, he played every game)
82 in 82
64 in 80

You are obviously in the lead on if it was a good signing or not, but no need to make stuff up about his number of quality seasons.

 

[CDJ]

Not debating that, just that I don't think 60 points for him on a top 6 line with good players on a team that isn't a complete shitshow is not out of the realm of possibility.

I think if you run this current line out next year he’d get it

 

[Dr Hook]

I think if you run this current line out next year he’d get it

I do too. They've looked pretty good in this most recent (small sample size) run together. I am also curious as to whether he is or was nursing an injury this season. Sometimes that comes out after the season.

 

[PlayMakers]

Lindholm's production, month by month...

Oct 6 points in 11 games
Nov 7 points in 14
Dec 6 points in 14
Jan 8 points in 14
Feb 4 points in 7
Mar 7 points in 14
Apr 9 points in 8

He was basically a 40 point player in every month except April. From October to the end of March, he had a total of 38 points in 74 games (a 42 point pace).

I bring this up because I've seen people say he was 'basically a 50 point player from January on..." but that's not really true. He was the exact same player in March as he was in October, 7 points in 14 games.

 

[Over the volcano]

Lindholm's production, month by month...

Oct 6 points in 11 games
Nov 7 points in 14
Dec 6 points in 14
Jan 8 points in 14
Feb 4 points in 7
Mar 7 points in 14
Apr 9 points in 8

He was basically a 40 point player in every month except April. From October to the end of March, he had a total of 38 points in 74 games (a 42 point pace).

I bring this up because I've seen people say he was 'basically a 50 point player from January on..." but that's not really true. He was the exact same player in March as he was in October, 7 points in 14 games.

15 pts in 18 games since the trade deadline.

what pace does that figure out to?

 

[PlayMakers]

15 pts in 18 games since the trade deadline.

what pace does that figure out to?

Why not look at his 9 points in 8 games in April? That's a 90 point pace. Do we have a 90 point center?

Honest question, have Lindholm's last 9 games, or 15 games in your example, convinced you that Lindholm is a real 1st line center now?

I'd be curious to hear everyone and anyone's opinion on that. I'm skeptical but I'd love to be convinced.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Why not look at his 9 points in 8 games in April? That's a 90 point pace. Do we have a 90 point center?

Honest question, have Lindholm's last 9 games, or 15 games in your example, convinced you that Lindholm is a real 1st line center now?

I'd be curious to hear everyone and anyone's opinion on that. I'm skeptical but I'd love to be convinced.

$7.78M/yr for a 90 point player? What a steal!

Hell, if you take just his last two games of the season into account, he's a 125 point C.

#Sweenius

 

[LJReborn]

Why not look at his 9 points in 8 games in April? That's a 90 point pace. Do we have a 90 point center?

Honest question, have Lindholm's last 9 games, or 15 games in your example, convinced you that Lindholm is a real 1st line center now?

I'd be curious to hear everyone and anyone's opinion on that. I'm skeptical but I'd love to be convinced.

I would say not by definition, but playing with Geekie and Pasta would make you one by default and I am encouraged with how he finished the year.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I would say not by definition, but playing with Geekie and Pasta would make you one by default and I am encouraged with how he finished the year.

I’m skeptical, but hard not to be at least a little bit encouraged by his play at the end of the season. If that line can stay intact and stay productive, that can positively affect the rest of the lineup.

My buddy keeps talking it up… it’s just far too small of a sample size for me to be confident in it going forward.

Hopefully?

 

[weaponomega]

Why not look at his 9 points in 8 games in April? That's a 90 point pace. Do we have a 90 point center?

Honest question, have Lindholm's last 9 games, or 15 games in your example, convinced you that Lindholm is a real 1st line center now?

I'd be curious to hear everyone and anyone's opinion on that. I'm skeptical but I'd love to be convinced.

But you could argue there's chemistry between he, Geekie and Pastrnak. He's not a line driver, but I think he'll put up better than 40ish points if they play together next.season.

 

[LJReborn]

I’m skeptical, but hard not to be at least a little bit encouraged by his play at the end of the season. If that line can stay intact and stay productive, that can positively affect the rest of the lineup.

My buddy keeps talking it up… it’s just far too small of a sample size for me to be confident in it going forward.

Hopefully?

Yeah hopefully indeed. His offseason won't be sweating out a new deal and getting familiar with a new city and teammates so maybe he will relax and be better. Year one was subpar but he has six more so let's hope for the best

 

[EverettMike]

Meaningless games against a soft schedule where the opposition didn't exactly have to be at their best to win.

Bill nailed this. A single month, with zero pressure and expectations, does not mean more than the five months that preceeded it.

Doesn't mean he can't build off of it, of course, but hard to feel confident he'll ever come close to his salary.

 

[PlayMakers]

But you could argue there's chemistry between he, Geekie and Pastrnak. He's not a line driver, but I think he'll put up better than 40ish points if they play together next.season.

You definitely could, and I'm a big believer in chemistry. I think, if a 4th liner has chemistry with 1st liners and he makes the line better, play him there. If that's the case with Lindholm, great. I just don't know if I should trust the numbers at that time of the year.

 

[Over the volcano]

Why not look at his 9 points in 8 games in April? That's a 90 point pace. Do we have a 90 point center?

Honest question, have Lindholm's last 9 games, or 15 games in your example, convinced you that Lindholm is a real 1st line center now?

I'd be curious to hear everyone and anyone's opinion on that. I'm skeptical but I'd love to be convinced.

Figured the trade deadline was a better starting point for some kind of late season gauge than the first of any given month. I'm sure we could just go back to his #s just playing on the top line and they'd probably look even better.

Certainly feel better about him next year after seeing him find some success at the end of the season this year.

The season was a shit show from the start - new team, missed camp with an injury, played in a dumpster fired system under Montgomery, played under a new coach (#4 in his last 100 games) got bounced around the line up while nursing his wrist back to health. So yeah a strong 20ish games as a top line center is encouraging.

 

[elMatador]

Both Lindholm and Zacha ended up with the exact same number of 47 points. Neither is a top line center. The only difference is one is $3m more expensive than the other.

 

[Over the volcano]

Both Lindholm and Zacha ended up with the exact same number of 47 points. Neither is a top line center. The only difference is one is $3m more expensive than the other.

Zacha had 820 minutes with Pastrnak. Lindholm had 300.

 

[elMatador]

Zacha had 820 minutes with Pastrnak. Lindholm had 300.

Lindholm started the season centering Pasta. He sucked there and after the first week of Nov was moved down to the 2nd line where he sucked more.

 

[Over the volcano]

Lindholm started the season centering Pasta. He sucked there and after the first week of Nov was moved down to the 2nd line where he sucked more.

For the season

5v5 Lindholm and Pastrnak
300min 22goals for 10 against

5v5 Zacha and Pastrnak
820 min 44 goals for 38 against

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I think if you run this current line out next year he’d get it

With ease.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Lindholm started the season centering Pasta. He sucked there and after the first week of Nov was moved down to the 2nd line where he sucked more.

And he started the season injured, which caused him to miss most (was it all, it was so long ago) of preseason, and then played limited by injuries for months

I think the end of the year gives you some real hope that he and Pasta and play together, and if they do it can be a legitimate first line, which will mean he would score 60+ points

 

[BadBruins]

Why not look at his 9 points in 8 games in April? That's a 90 point pace. Do we have a 90 point center?

Honest question, have Lindholm's last 9 games, or 15 games in your example, convinced you that Lindholm is a real 1st line center now?

I'd be curious to hear everyone and anyone's opinion on that. I'm skeptical but I'd love to be convinced.

I really depends on what type of argument you are trying to make.

You can choose to ignore/dismiss his best stretch of his season. Just like those who argue the other side want to arbitrarily remove the horrible stretch the start the season. Break it down into small chunks to make it look more mediocre if you want. It's just date ranges with no real significance IMO.

Ultimately, he finished with 17 Goals/47 points in 82 games. Tied for 3rd in points on the team (sadly).

Have to use your eyes as well. This is not a 1st line center in the traditional sense. Or in any sense, if we are being honest. He works hard. He goes to the dirty areas. Has enough skill to play in the top-6, but doesn't possess great hands or hockey sense IMO. That's the biggest disappointment for me. Not great with the puck on his stick. I don't think he has ability to drive a 1st or 2nd line offensively. I still believe he can be a fine top-6 C in the right environment.