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Value of: Elias Lindholm
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Skinnyjimmy08
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was expecting a huge season last year but didn't happen. I hope to see a breakout season next year. He hasn't really impressed me much yet but I think he will be unreal
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His value right now is too low to consider moving him. I'm still very high on him as well and see a lot of upside. It sounds like he's putting in more training/conditioning work this offseason than he has in the past, after Brindy somewhat called him out last season. This should be the season we really see what he's got.
Lots of talk that they'll be together, but with the lineup looking drastically different from last season, I'm sure there is going to be a lot of line juggling.
Lots of talk that they'll be together, but with the lineup looking drastically different from last season, I'm sure there is going to be a lot of line juggling.
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We were all kind of expecting a breakout season last year. He obviously needs to work on either his strength or explosiveness so he can make more space for himself. He has flashes of being a great playmaker and he has a pretty good wrister. Apparently he's putting in the work this offseason training with Nick Backstrom's trainer. Last season he had an abysmal shooting percentage 6.3% vs 10% the season before. He still has a positive impact on possession, and his PDO was 95.7. All that isn't to excuse him, he still has plenty to work on, but I'm expecting a tick up in production this year. If he pans out, he's exactly what we need, so I'm not sure we would get anything back that would be worth trading him.
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This would be a clear case of selling low.
He's a classic case, IMO, of how NOT to develop a young player. Throw him into the NHL at 18 when his body and game was clearly not ready, he gets injured and gets low ice time. Year 2, as a 19 YO, he shows improvement, but is still frequently over-matched when forced to play top 6 RW (when he's naturally a C). Year 3, he again is mainly used either on the top line RW or 2nd "shut down" line RW and just does "OK".
That said, some of it is clearly on him as well. For 2 straight seasons, he struggled out of the blocks (1 point in 11 games this October). He's skilled, but his skating and lower body strength hasn't been good enough to utilize that skill. He's not slow, so that, to me is a case of him working in the off-season to improve it. He hasn't been fast enough to blow by guys and hasn't been strong enough to shield guys off (like Rask does). Brind'Amour even called him out a bit at the end of last season saying that if he wants to be elite, he's got to put in the work off ice.
All that said, he's only 21 years old and basically has two 40point (ok, 39) seasons under is belt. Based on reports and videos we've seen, he's also taking his offseason training much more seriously working out with Nik Backstrom under Andreas Öhgren. https://novacapsfans.com/2016/07/08/andreas-ohgren-on-training-backstrom-and-other-nhl-players/
I think he'll come to camp prepared and get a chance to play center between Aho and Teravainen. I personally expect a much improved season from him, provided he stays healthy. I have high hopes for him this season.
He's a classic case, IMO, of how NOT to develop a young player. Throw him into the NHL at 18 when his body and game was clearly not ready, he gets injured and gets low ice time. Year 2, as a 19 YO, he shows improvement, but is still frequently over-matched when forced to play top 6 RW (when he's naturally a C). Year 3, he again is mainly used either on the top line RW or 2nd "shut down" line RW and just does "OK".
That said, some of it is clearly on him as well. For 2 straight seasons, he struggled out of the blocks (1 point in 11 games this October). He's skilled, but his skating and lower body strength hasn't been good enough to utilize that skill. He's not slow, so that, to me is a case of him working in the off-season to improve it. He hasn't been fast enough to blow by guys and hasn't been strong enough to shield guys off (like Rask does). Brind'Amour even called him out a bit at the end of last season saying that if he wants to be elite, he's got to put in the work off ice.
All that said, he's only 21 years old and basically has two 40point (ok, 39) seasons under is belt. Based on reports and videos we've seen, he's also taking his offseason training much more seriously working out with Nik Backstrom under Andreas Öhgren. https://novacapsfans.com/2016/07/08/andreas-ohgren-on-training-backstrom-and-other-nhl-players/
I think he'll come to camp prepared and get a chance to play center between Aho and Teravainen. I personally expect a much improved season from him, provided he stays healthy. I have high hopes for him this season.
tarheelhockey
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As others have stated, this would be a sell-low move. Considering Carolina would need to have another forward coming back, I don't think it would be easy to find a willing dance partner here. The other team would want to acquire Lindholm at his current low value, which is fair, and the Hurricanes would want to acquire an impact player if it means cutting bait on Lindholm, which is also fair.
The only guy that jumps to mind, and this is a bit of a stretch, would be Evander Kane. If Buffalo were really just trying to get rid of the guy, and Canes management were willing to take the risk, maybe there could be something there. Of course there will be the standard "I don't want Kane at any price" from a lot of folks on our side, but he is exact the sort of player who has been conspicuously missing from the Hurricanes lineup for a long time now.
The only guy that jumps to mind, and this is a bit of a stretch, would be Evander Kane. If Buffalo were really just trying to get rid of the guy, and Canes management were willing to take the risk, maybe there could be something there. Of course there will be the standard "I don't want Kane at any price" from a lot of folks on our side, but he is exact the sort of player who has been conspicuously missing from the Hurricanes lineup for a long time now.
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Agree with the first part of your post.
re: the second part. Even ignoring the off ice issues with Kane, I wouldn't touch that (nor do I think it would cost that even if the Canes were interested in Kane) for the following reasons:
1) He misses a lot of games every season.
2) His offensive output really hasn't been much, if any better than Lindholm even though he's 4 years older.
3) He gets paid $6M the next two seasons vs. $2.5-$3M for Lindholm
4) He's a UFA in 2 years where-as Lindholm is an RFA.
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I know this is probably going against Carolinas plan but would Derek Stepan be a possibility, still only 26 and proven to be big time player...similar to brassard for zibanejad IMO
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If rangers would be willing to take the immediate hit and invest in E.L it would be a pretty sweet way to make the forward core young again with Lindholm, Zibby and Hayes up the middle all under 25
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Don't want to move him now, just as he's getting ready to break out. He's taking this offseason super seriously in terms of strength/speed training and he's finally going to get a real chance to play center, where he looks to be better/more comfortable/more confident.
Only way I would care to move him is in a deal for a youngish established top 6 forward. That would almost certainly be a cap move for the other team, but I'm talking about a player of the Stepan/RNH caliber.
Only way I would care to move him is in a deal for a youngish established top 6 forward. That would almost certainly be a cap move for the other team, but I'm talking about a player of the Stepan/RNH caliber.
Right... The Canes have no reason to move Lindholm except for an upgrade like Stepan/RNH and any team with a player that would be considered an upgrade has no reason to move them for a largely unproven Lindholm.
I've watched him play many times and like him a lot. Does anything on Pitt interest Carolina? I can't think of anything but I'd love him in our lineup
I mean you guys would have to seriously overpay for a guy you have no need for and please don't say that you want to use him as a winger because I guarantee you that way you will in no shape or form get your moneys worth.
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Der Jaeger
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Kane for Lindholm?
What time are you available to pick Kane up at Charlotte airport?
Boom Boom Apathy
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Why would Kane be flying to Charlotte? So he can play with the Checkers? Seems like an odd move.
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1.) Up until the lockout season, Kane was playing in most games without an injury issue. Over 70 games prior to the lockout for 2 seasons. Then all 48 during the lockout. He's had one major injury issue the past three seasons. He does get nicked up. A lot of players that play his style do.
2.) Kane's a better ppg player.
3.) $5.25M
4.) yes.
I don't want Kane, but it's not for his on-ice behavior.
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Why would Kane be flying to Charlotte? So he can play with the Checkers? Seems like an odd move.
Point. I don't know why, but I always think Carolina plays in Charlotte.
Same offer, Raleigh.
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Yes, he does get nicked up, as a lot of players that play his style do and misses a lot of games, but that's my point.
1) True, but since he doesn't play as many games, PPG becomes less important.
2) He's 25, Lindholm is 21, I'd expect his PPG to be better.
3) Over the past 2 seasons, the PPG difference isn't that much. .55 vs. .48.
But still, currently Kane's a bit better offensively if he's in the line-up and he adds a physical dimension the Canes could use so I'm not saying he wouldn't have value without the off-ice issues.
That's his cap hit. I said he gets paid, not his cap hit, since his cap is irrelevant to Carolina, but the actual salary is important. Kane's actual salary is $6M and $6M for the next 2 seasons.
This is a big component. UFA in 2 years in Kane's case vs. under teams control for many more years.
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him, if not for his off ice issues. I said I wouldn't trade Lindholm for him for the reasons I stated above. 2 different things.
Believe their coach talked about this on MvsW. He wants Linholm, Teravainen, and Aho on the same line. They would switch center and wing positions depending on where faceoffs are being taken. Low key excited to see this line this year
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Yeah, heard that interview. Bill Peters has clearly been putting a lot of thought into lines already. With Lindholm's major offseason work, I think he's finally poised to break out, and Aho and Teravainen should be really fun to watch too.
Going into the offseason, Brind'Amour was fairly blunt publicly about Lindholm's strength not being where it needed to be last season, and that it was a big reason why he hadn't broken out. Lindholm has apparently taken that to heart. Lindholm and Teravainen, both with a real chance to break out in a big way, and Aho, who could easily be in the Calder race if he translates his game to NHL ice well. Should be fun to watch.
