SeanMoneyHands
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Dreger: Elias Lindholm will get 8M+ per year through free agency
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Dr Jan Itor
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That sounds like a deal someone will regret before the ink is dry.
blankall
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Depends on term. If it's $8+ x 7 years whoever signs that contract is going to regret it. The Flames dodged a major bullet by having him turn down their $9 x 8 years proposal.
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He's a good player but I don't think he's a 1C, he's probably a nice 2C.
I think 6.5M x5 is probably something that he can live up to.
If it's 8M x7 years though, you won the bidding war but you kinda lost too.
I think 6.5M x5 is probably something that he can live up to.
If it's 8M x7 years though, you won the bidding war but you kinda lost too.
I was goofing around on Capfriendly earlier.
I had him going to the Leafs for 7.25 and was grimacing. 8 sheets is rough.
I had him going to the Leafs for 7.25 and was grimacing. 8 sheets is rough.
Habs Halifax
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A team like the Blue Jackets who desperately need centers might do it. Gaudreau is drowning on his own.
Lindholm is 29/30 next year (Dec birthdate). 7 years would be 29-35 and that overlaps the $92M+ cap in as early as 2 seasons. With a $92-$100M cap range (next 7 years), what is the new rate for a top 2C? GM's are going to take fits with what agents push for on long term deals to come.
What I would tell Lindholm's agent is the 1st 4 years we will pay top 2C rate. But the last 3 years will be 3C rate (age 33-35).
5x $7M seems like a good AAV/term IMO. Lets face it, Lindholm made his name when the Flames were contenders and had Tkachuk and Gaudreau on the roster.
Lindholm is 29/30 next year (Dec birthdate). 7 years would be 29-35 and that overlaps the $92M+ cap in as early as 2 seasons. With a $92-$100M cap range (next 7 years), what is the new rate for a top 2C? GM's are going to take fits with what agents push for on long term deals to come.
What I would tell Lindholm's agent is the 1st 4 years we will pay top 2C rate. But the last 3 years will be 3C rate (age 33-35).
5x $7M seems like a good AAV/term IMO. Lets face it, Lindholm made his name when the Flames were contenders and had Tkachuk and Gaudreau on the roster.
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Flawed logic.
Canucks hold the hammer of being able to offer an 8 year contract and could easily match most if not all competitors in total contract value.
Canucks hold the hammer of being able to offer an 8 year contract and could easily match most if not all competitors in total contract value.
Habs Halifax
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His best seasons were when the Flames had both Tkachuk and Gaudreau on the roster. Lindholm is a decent top 2C but he's not leading the line on his own. I really dislike when players want to be paid as the leader of their line. Marner is paid that way. Great talent but take the talent away and he also looks like Gaudreau on the Jackets.
I can see the Blue Jackets interested.
If I was the Canucks, I'd let him walk if he asked for more than $6M. Some sucker is going to give it to him though.
Those 29/30+ contracts man. 80% or 90% of them turn out bad.
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Was awesome in the playoffs, but not $8M awesome.
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To be fair to Gaudreau, he's led the Jackets in scoring both seasons he's been there. People really need to take a look at just how bad that Jackets lineup, that Gaudreau was expected to work with, was.
Marner is capable of leading his own line. I agree that Lindholm is not. The Jackets should be all over Lindholm though. For them, $8 million is solid, if he can regain his chemistry with Gaudreau.
Yeah, he is also the best centre free agent in a while and has the rep of being a two way guy.
Might make sense on a one year deal to rebuild his value but any term and it probably gets pretty ugly
Habs Halifax
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It's true but it just goes to show how players point totals get bumped up with talent around them. It's exactly the Leafs problem with their bloated contracts. Playing together helps each other and they all went after maxed deals. Poor Nylander had to take much less because the others signed before him. Now that is going to back fire on Marner because Nylander produced and got his deal.
Marner would drown without that top 6 talent around him. Probably puts up similar points to what Gaudreau did with the Jackets.
Playing D against Marner when you know he has Matthews to pass too is much different than without Matthews. Marners shot is not that impressive and when you know he lacks options, you can just close his space better. Good talents yes.
We agree on Lindholm. Can look very good when he has talent around him. A decent top 2C but he's not a line driver.
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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8m for 40 points thats wild.
Unless Utah wants to spend money
Unless Utah wants to spend money
Habs Halifax
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Some sucker is going to offer him the 5+ contract. Cap space is opening up now. If he was due for a new contract in the past 2 or 3 seasons, the 1 year deal would probably make more sense.
You just wait. A $92M+ cap is coming real fast. I remember talking about this a fair amount 2+ years ago and the nit picker ignorant fans laughed at it. I knew the NHLPA outstanding balance was going to be paid off ahead of schedule and the cap will sky rocket after it.
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Is it his ability to disappear for long stretches of time teams will line up to pay for?
Habs Halifax
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Players should be paid for their NHL averages. Especially the 30+ contracts. Lindholm's career numbers are 557 pts with 218 goals over 818 games. Prorates to 56 pts and 22 goals. I think those are fair numbers to expect from age 29/30 to 34/35. After 35, they should be paid for half rate.
Supply/Demand will be the factor. NHL teams with poor depth at center will pay more to fill that hole. We have seen this over and over again. Lots of teams in the NHL like to be in the middle of the pack. Not many owners like complete rebuilds due to the business risk of it not working. Fans usually only look at the successful rebuilds.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Don't disagree at all, just hilarious (as it is every year) how badly teams are willing to overpay.
Hope the Nucks give him it. EP40 and Lindholm at their $$$ is quite the duo... lol
Wildcarder
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Lindholm was a very good player for the Canucks once he returned from a hand injury. His regular season stats are not representative of the positive value he brings to the team through his hockey IQ, positioning, face-offs, defensive play, penalty kill, puck possession, and ability be a solid complimentary offensive player. He upped his physicality in the playoffs as well. He is a great 2C option for any team.
That being said, he is not worth 8m. The highest I'd go with term is 7m. Something more fair for him at this stage would be around 6.5m x 7.
That being said, he is not worth 8m. The highest I'd go with term is 7m. Something more fair for him at this stage would be around 6.5m x 7.
Yup, with the cap starting to open up again there will be some rally dumb UFA signings
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