Player Discussion: Ehlers

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah, Colorado is capped out and will likely loose some depth upfront in Druin and maybe Wood/Coyle.

Dallas is going to lose depth in Duchene and some other players due to cap reasons. Ditto Edmonton. St. Louis has very little cap flexibility as well.

Unlike those other teams we will have plenty of cap space to address what we lose.

I think Landeskog coming back will help Col as much as getting Nelson, maybe more.

Dallas will have quite the numbers game. That's why we hear rumours about them moving Robertson. Good player, but for his salary they can retain 2-3 of those other guys.

StL only needs to sign a couple of guys to fill out their roster. If they go with 22 men they will have a little cap left I think.

We will have cap space but will we have worthwhile places to spend it?

 

[surixon]

I think Landeskog coming back will help Col as much as getting Nelson, maybe more.

Dallas will have quite the numbers game. That's why we hear rumours about them moving Robertson. Good player, but for his salary they can retain 2-3 of those other guys.

StL only needs to sign a couple of guys to fill out their roster. If they go with 22 men they will have a little cap left I think.

We will have cap space but will we have worthwhile places to spend it?

I expect a Toews signing (I know opinions on how he'll play are mixed). I also expect our first pick and a prospect for a top 6 forward at the draft if Ehlers leaves.

As for other FA I think we may be able to grab a solid depth player or two. Most of teams with cap space are rebuilding teams. I think that may play a bit into our favor in FA this year.

 

[scelaton]

So .... that means you don't like ham on pizza either because pineapple goes perfectly with ham. You need to look for chemistry when putting together your topping lineup.

I see where you're going there. Like KFC and Apples...yuck!

 

[gojetsgo]

We have been very, very good in the last couple of regular seasons and, to a little lesser extent, this year's PO. Some teams will improve with off-season moves. Some will get worse. Looking at our division I see most teams getting better. Jets getting worse. Neither is written in stone of course.

We can't just assume that Helle will be as good next year as he was last. More likely he is nearly, but not quite, as good as last year. Getting 2 good middle six forwards is not that easy either. And that still leaves us as a 1 line team. Perf - Names - unknown middle 6er is not a 2nd line to inspire confidence.

connor scheifele vilardi
mid 6 names/toews perfetti
nino lowry mid 6
barron toews/names/ iaffalo

appleton played a lot of mins and only put up 22 points on the season, we will downgrade on ehlers but it really shouldn't be hard to find an upgrade on him, especially with the amount of cap space we have

we have been 1 of the best defensive teams in the nhl these past 2 seasons, we have a 3 time vezina reigning hart winner in net, this really shouldn't be a concern. but hey, you do you...

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

connor scheifele vilardi
mid 6 names/toews perfetti
nino lowry mid 6
barron toews/names/ iaffalo

appleton played a lot of mins and only put up 22 points on the season, we will downgrade on ehlers but it really shouldn't be hard to find an upgrade on him, especially with the amount of cap space we have

we have been 1 of the best defensive teams in the nhl these past 2 seasons, we have a 3 time vezina reigning hart winner in net, this really shouldn't be a concern. but hey, you do you...

I think chibrikov will be a lock in one of your mid 6 spots, entering his D+5 and has done his time on the Moose. Looked like an nhler last year when he got the chance

 

[gojetsgo]

I think chibrikov will be a lock in one of your mid 6 spots, entering his D+5 and has done his time on the Moose. Looked like an nhler last year when he got the chance

I think they may be wanting more experience in the bottom six based on all the talks about lack of depth scoring in the exit interviews, he could perhaps be the 13th and play while lowry is out but I doubt they want to go into the season with a ? if they can avoid it

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

connor scheifele vilardi
mid 6 names/toews perfetti
nino lowry mid 6
barron toews/names/ iaffalo

appleton played a lot of mins and only put up 22 points on the season, we will downgrade on ehlers but it really shouldn't be hard to find an upgrade on him, especially with the amount of cap space we have

we have been 1 of the best defensive teams in the nhl these past 2 seasons, we have a 3 time vezina reigning hart winner in net, this really shouldn't be a concern. but hey, you do you...

IF we get Toews and IF he is actually good at 2C that could go a long way. But I'm not assuming either of those IF's until I see it. I would like Toews at 2C a lot better if we were keeping Ehlers.

Appleton's scoring was not great but he played against the oppositions best in a shutdown role. He was not nearly as bad as he is made out to be here. That said, I wouldn't mind an upgrade on him. I don't think that is an unreasonable ask.

I'm not concerned with our team D but I don't expect to win the Jennings every year.

I am concerned with our 2nd line and maybe our 1st pair D. 2nd line issues are obvious. Until we sign and/or trade for some help there it is weak. On D, did DeMelo just have a bit of an off year or is he in decline? Time will tell. Either way, I think we need a bigger, more physical partner for Morrissey. I am cautiously optimistic that the 3rd pair sorts itself out in TC. I think Salomonsson is going to win a job there.

 

[gojetsgo]

IF we get Toews and IF he is actually good at 2C that could go a long way. But I'm not assuming either of those IF's until I see it. I would like Toews at 2C a lot better if we were keeping Ehlers.

Appleton's scoring was not great but he played against the oppositions best in a shutdown role. He was not nearly as bad as he is made out to be here. That said, I wouldn't mind an upgrade on him. I don't think that is an unreasonable ask.

I'm not concerned with our team D but I don't expect to win the Jennings every year.

I am concerned with our 2nd line and maybe our 1st pair D. 2nd line issues are obvious. Until we sign and/or trade for some help there it is weak. On D, did DeMelo just have a bit of an off year or is he in decline? Time will tell. Either way, I think we need a bigger, more physical partner for Morrissey. I am cautiously optimistic that the 3rd pair sorts itself out in TC. I think Salomonsson is going to win a job there.

they are all if's until you see it, but funny how that same logic doesn't get implied to every other team behind us...

if toews can't take the 2c role we go with names and toews moves down the line up...

both nino/lowry out scored appleton while playing against the same competition, I didn't say he was bad.. I just think it shouldn't be hard to find an upgrade on him, especially since his most common linemates outscored him this season

 

[Bob E]

I've seen pundits speculate on a sign and trade of Ehlers, though beneficial to the Jets to losing Ehlers for nothing, I can't see it happening. Why sign early unless you have a specific team in mind?

For instance, if the Rangers really like Ehlers, would they be interested in trading Lafreniere to Jets for a signed Ehlers+? Maybe not Laffy, but they would need to move out money to accommodate a signed Ehlers. No doubt Ehlers would be a player I can see them wanting, and Ehlers might want to play in New York, but I can't see that move (or any other sign and trade) happening. Though I'm sure Chevy will be exploring all options if he doesn't sign.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

they are all if's until you see it, but funny how that same logic doesn't get implied to every other team behind us...

if toews can't take the 2c role we go with names and toews moves down the line up...

both nino/lowry out scored appleton while playing against the same competition, I didn't say he was bad.. I just think it shouldn't be hard to find an upgrade on him, especially since his most common linemates outscored him this season

Not all IFs are equally likely.
If we go with Names again, our 2nd line remains weak.
Maybe Toews could take Appleton's spot and be an upgrade.
I agree that an upgrade on Apples is not too much to ask for.

If Chevy can acquire a Rossi or maybe Lundell without having to pay an excessive price we might be in great shape. We might fill out that line with Nino or Iafallo or one of your mid 6 wingers.

This is the season for fans to dream but the impending loss of Ehlers is casting a pall over the proceedings. I will be glad when it is finally done so we can move on.

 

[gojetsgo]

Not all IFs are equally likely.
If we go with Names again, our 2nd line remains weak.
Maybe Toews could take Appleton's spot and be an upgrade.
I agree that an upgrade on Apples is not too much to ask for.

If Chevy can acquire a Rossi or maybe Lundell without having to pay an excessive price we might be in great shape. We might fill out that line with Nino or Iafallo or one of your mid 6 wingers.

This is the season for fans to dream but the impending loss of Ehlers is casting a pall over the proceedings. I will be glad when it is finally done so we can move on.

I really don't see how adding to middle six forwards is a bigger if then what most teams have..

we are one of the best defensive teams in the nhl, we have the best goalie in the nhl, losing ehlers would hurt but can be offset by other moves

ehlers 63 points
appleton 22 points

find two 40-50 point players and we should be fine, these aren't big if's we have a shit ton of cap space, we have our 1st and prospects if we need to go the trade route

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I really don't see how adding to middle six forwards is a bigger if then what most teams have..

we are one of the best defensive teams in the nhl, we have the best goalie in the nhl, losing ehlers would hurt but can be offset by other moves

ehlers 63 points
appleton 22 points

find two 40-50 point players and we should be fine, these aren't big if's we have a shit ton of cap space, we have our 1st and prospects if we need to go the trade route

And we have trouble attracting players at the best of times. Our b2b strong seasons should help, but the FA class this year is not great.

Yes, the loss can be offset by other moves. But Ehlers is a unique player. He is not easily replaced.

If we are to continue as strong as we have been those 40-50 pt players have to also be good defensively.

Do you have any specific 40-50 pt players who are sound defensively in mind? Are you hoping for FAs or are you expecting to trade? If trade, what do you expect to give up?

 

[Flair Hay]

And we have trouble attracting players at the best of times. Our b2b strong seasons should help, but the FA class this year is not great.

Yes, the loss can be offset by other moves. But Ehlers is a unique player. He is not easily replaced.

If we are to continue as strong as we have been those 40-50 pt players have to also be good defensively.

Do you have any specific 40-50 pt players who are sound defensively in mind? Are you hoping for FAs or are you expecting to trade? If trade, what do you expect to give up?

Murat listed Mangiapane as a target who fits this range. One of those high motor middle of the lineup guys with enough skill to play top six. I could see a lot of teams being interested. He is coming off a down year though.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Is it confirmed he's gone?

 

[gojetsgo]

And we have trouble attracting players at the best of times. Our b2b strong seasons should help, but the FA class this year is not great.

Yes, the loss can be offset by other moves. But Ehlers is a unique player. He is not easily replaced.

If we are to continue as strong as we have been those 40-50 pt players have to also be good defensively.

Do you have any specific 40-50 pt players who are sound defensively in mind? Are you hoping for FAs or are you expecting to trade? If trade, what do you expect to give up?

marchement? geekie? zacha? tuch? rust? rossi? as potential trade targets who knows what else is out there

grandlund, donato, suter, magipange smith, drouin on the free agent side

 

[gojetsgo]

Is it confirmed he's gone?

no

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

no

Outside of him coming to Ottawa, I do hope he stays with y'all.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Murat listed Mangiapane as a target who fits this range. One of those high motor middle of the lineup guys with enough skill to play top six. I could see a lot of teams being interested. He is coming off a down year though.

Small, off year on an up team. I dunno. How's his D?

He made 5.8 mil this year. I hope he wouldn't expect that much again. Signed that contract after a career season with 35 goals. Never came close to that again.

 

[Buffdog]

Small, off year on an up team. I dunno. How's his D?

He made 5.8 mil this year. I hope he wouldn't expect that much again. Signed that contract after a career season with 35 goals. Never cam close to that again.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

marchement? geekie? zacha? tuch? rust? rossi? as potential trade targets who knows what else is out there

grandlund, donato, suter, magipange smith, drouin on the free agent side

Yah, there are potential targets. I've seen most of those names tossed around but don't know if they are actually available or not.

Marchment, Zacha, Tuch all have trade protection. Rust had it but it expires July 1 apparently. He could be of interest. Rossi appears to be on the outs with management in Minny. Rumoured to want too much money for them, IIRC. I would be willing to pay quite a bit. Highly talented player. But what would they want in return? Could be high.

I think I've seen a rumour Granlund is one of the players Dallas needs to move someone so they can sign him. Donato coming off a career year will be overpriced. Don't know about Suter. Another career year guy. Not sold on Mangiapane. Not really against him either. Reilly Smith? Does he have another year in him? Drouin is a very talented player with a lot of baggage. He's had a lot of injuries. Don't know what options he might have. If he could stay healthy and not require too much money, he might be interesting. But a lot of teams might think the same. Probably a more attractive location would offer him = money to what Chevy would offer.

But I guess your point is that there are possibilities out there and there are.

 

[Whileee]

Small, off year on an up team. I dunno. How's his D?

He made 5.8 mil this year. I hope he wouldn't expect that much again. Signed that contract after a career season with 35 goals. Never cam close to that again.

Plays in traffic and along the boards.

Won't score as much as Ehlers, but he's effective at both ends of the ice.

 

[DRW204]

Jets need finishing and reliable scoring on the 2nd line. 2/3 fwds are composed of namestnikov and perfetti, who were closer to Mason Appleton in 5v5 scoring rates than Ehlers this past year. magiapane has not been that for years.

Plays in traffic and along the boards.

Won't score as much as Ehlers, but he's effective at both ends of the ice.

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a 1st line level fwd... the same measurement had KC closer to a bottom-6er than a top-6er for years.

 

[Daximus]

they are all if's until you see it, but funny how that same logic doesn't get implied to every other team behind us...

if toews can't take the 2c role we go with names and toews moves down the line up...

both nino/lowry out scored appleton while playing against the same competition, I didn't say he was bad.. I just think it shouldn't be hard to find an upgrade on him, especially since his most common linemates outscored him this season

The ifs were there you just chose to ignore them.

There are a lot of ifs with everyone this offseason. If Dallas moves Robertson and Marchment, if they sign Granlund, if Colorado stands pat or decides to move Coyle and add, if Kaprizov stays healthy, if St. Louis can bring last seasons play into the start of next season, if Utah and Nashville decide to spend and fill their holes adequately, if Chicago finds Bedard some help. If the Jets sign Ehlers, if they sign Toews, if they find replacements for 2C/2W, if they move on from Apples, if they replace him adequately, if some of the young guns come in and are solid enough to warrant being in the lineup.

The ifs are there for everyone. We are no different and we have some big ifs.

 

[Daximus]

marchement? geekie? zacha? tuch? rust? rossi? as potential trade targets who knows what else is out there

grandlund, donato, suter, magipange smith, drouin on the free agent side

I'd be pleasantly surprised if we land any of those free agents.

 

[10Ducky10]

If Ehlers is gone, I'd be going after JJ Peterka.
He's a hell of a good goal scorer that needs to work on his D game but is young at 23.
He has scored 32, 50 and 68 points since making the NHL.
You'd have to give back players.
Nino, Schenn and a Barlow might do it...I'd add a 3rd.