Ehlers why Didnt We Trade Him

[wasup]

Note to Mr Ehlers : the grass is not always greener on the other side .

If you are being pretty well paid and are enjoying the team you are playing for and having fun there is no reason for change . Players that sign huge contracts are held to a different standard and if you game slips the pressure on you becomes suffocating .

 

[voyageur]

I think the Wings, Hawks and Ducks all want to take the next step and a vet like Nik probably looks super tantalizing to them.

I think you could add teams like Canes and Canucks. Canucks with their European flavour are desperately going to need a game breaker with time running out on Quinn Hughes. Pettersson will need a supporting cast. Not just rookies.

I think for Nik this is the one chance he'll have in his career to be the guy, maybe a consistent ppg producer for a few years with more opportunity and greater ice time. I think that's an allure the Jets might not be able to offer, and they'll have to double down on their hunting and fishing, goat raising and family oriented good old boys.

He'll probably get the biggest ovation in his first game back if he chooses a new home.

 

[10Ducky10]

You could even add in the Sabres who desperately need to figure shit out - the Blues who look like they just need a reload. There are a bunch of teams I think that could use a guy like Nik to boost their chances at playoffs.

I'm not sure the Sabres have the cap room...

 

[GNP]

I was listening to the CJOB postgame broadcast after the Canucks game and a couple of the announcers were saying how well Chevy has done on contracts like Helle and Scheifele.

Then one of them said he was talking to Ehlers in the preseason, and asked him if he’d like to stay in Winnipeg. He said Niks reply was that he’d like too, but he wants to play for a team - where he’s wanted. So far it looks like the Jets have not shown much interest in Ehlers, and not showing signs that they want him? No rumours on contract discussions etc.

It looks to me that the Jets are very unsure as to what to do, and decided to let the season and playoffs play out, and then decide.

It’s a big risk doing it this way, as you can have a star player walk away for zero return. I’m sure the Jets weighed all the options.

I just hope Nik has a great playoff series and resigned as a Jet.

Nik wants to play where he’s wanted, and I believe that, as it’s not just about money with Nik.

 

[Whileee]

I was listening to the CJOB postgame broadcast after the Canucks game and a couple of the announcers were saying how well Chevy has done on contracts like Helle and Scheifele.

Then one of them said he was talking to Ehlers in the preseason, and asked him if he’d like to stay in Winnipeg. He said Niks reply was that he’d like too, but he wants to play for a team - where he’s wanted. So far it looks like the Jets have not shown much interest in Ehlers, and not showing signs that they want him? No rumours on contract discussions etc.

It looks to me that the Jets are very unsure as to what to do, and decided to let the season and playoffs play out, and then decide.

It’s a big risk doing it this way, as you can have a star player walk away for zero return. I’m sure the Jets weighed all the options.

I just hope Nik has a great playoff series and resigned as a Jet.

Nik wants to play where he’s wanted, and I believe that, as it’s not just about money with Nik.

I think Chevy is waiting to see how Ehlers contributes in the playoffs and will then decide whether to make a big push to sign him, or just part ways.

 

[Gm0ney]

I was listening to the CJOB postgame broadcast after the Canucks game and a couple of the announcers were saying how well Chevy has done on contracts like Helle and Scheifele.

Then one of them said he was talking to Ehlers in the preseason, and asked him if he’d like to stay in Winnipeg. He said Niks reply was that he’d like too, but he wants to play for a team - where he’s wanted. So far it looks like the Jets have not shown much interest in Ehlers, and not showing signs that they want him? No rumours on contract discussions etc.

It looks to me that the Jets are very unsure as to what to do, and decided to let the season and playoffs play out, and then decide.

It’s a big risk doing it this way, as you can have a star player walk away for zero return. I’m sure the Jets weighed all the options.

I just hope Nik has a great playoff series and resigned as a Jet.

Nik wants to play where he’s wanted, and I believe that, as it’s not just about money with Nik.

I don't think it's just about playing on the top line and the top powerplay - although Ehlers has been 2nd fiddle a lot of his time here, and arguably undeservedly.

But I've heard Chevy reference the core guys and Ehlers doesn't get mentioned. Scheif, Connor, Lowry, Hellebuyck...so I don't know what's actually going on there but I don't get the sense that management has considered him part of the core for a few years now (I think they did at one time, like back when he signed his current deal).

Maybe there was some bad blood about the Laine stuff...Laine was not content and pretty vocal about it (in relative hockey player terms he was screaming it from the rooftops). Ehlers was close with Laine. Maybe got some collateral flak for being in the malcontent faction.

Anyway, I would be quite surprised if Ehlers signs.

 

[GNP]

I don't think it's just about playing on the top line and the top powerplay - although Ehlers has been 2nd fiddle a lot of his time here, and arguably undeservedly.

But I've heard Chevy reference the core guys and Ehlers doesn't get mentioned. Scheif, Connor, Lowry, Hellebuyck...so I don't know what's actually going on there but I don't get the sense that management has considered him part of the core for a few years now (I think they did at one time, like back when he signed his current deal).

Maybe there was some bad blood about the Laine stuff...Laine was not content and pretty vocal about it (in relative hockey player terms he was screaming it from the rooftops). Ehlers was close with Laine. Maybe got some collateral flak for being in the malcontent faction.

Anyway, I would be quite surprised if Ehlers signs.

You could well be right, but I think it’s a bloody shame and big loss for the Jets, not to sign Ehlers.

I should add to this, that if your post is true, and Nik wasn’t considered a core player, you have to ask yourself why he wasn’t traded ? Makes no sense?

On the other hand, he was never used on Power Play # 1 until this year, so maybe they do consider him a core player.

If he performs great in the playoffs, and wins them key games, they will almost be forced to sign him, as he is also a fan favourite.

Makes absolutely “ no sense” to let him walk for nothing. I’d be very pissed off to see that, and very let down by Chevy’s business acumen. Chevy and management, should not let petty personal feelings interfere with the clubs success, if your post is true.

Bottom line he’s an 80 point player with ample ice time, and we need him.

 

[ps241]

I think Chevy is waiting to see how Ehlers contributes in the playoffs and will then decide whether to make a big push to sign him, or just part ways.

It remains to be seen if Chevy has control in this situation. So much we don’t actually know. Honestly, part of the joy of fandom is not knowing and having to let it play out. Chevy getting Helle and Scheif extended was the last straw for me. That is when I gave up trying to figure him out. I was pretty convinced one or both those guys were going to move on. It is still fun to noodle the options around while we wait I guess.

 

[Jet]

It remains to be seen if Chevy has control in this situation. So much we don’t actually know. Honestly, part of the joy of fandom is not knowing and having to let it play out. Chevy getting Helle and Scheif extended was the last straw for me. That is when I gave up trying to figure him out. I was pretty convinced one or both those guys were going to move on. It is still fun to noodle the options around while we wait I guess.

Yeah that was definitely an "oh shit!" moment. I went from thinking about a Jets rebuild to our window being open for a couple more years.

Things like that dual signing, turning Laine and roslo into Vilardi Iafallo and Kupari, and picking up Schenn and Tanev at the TDL shows just what a phenomenal GM he is.

 

[ps241]

Yeah that was definitely an "oh shit!" moment. I went from thinking about a Jets rebuild to our window being open for a couple more years.

Things like that dual signing, turning Laine and roslo into Vilardi Iafallo and Kupari, and picking up Schenn and Tanev at the TDL shows just what a phenomenal GM he is.

There is no GM who has a higher degree of difficulty than Kevin when it comes to market conditions. Jim Nill in Dallas has a line of free agents and high end talent that want to play there if they can. His phone rings from agents pitching him. Chevy has the opposite and somehow he has his team competing for 1st overall.

I was always a Chevy fan but I was starting to think it was time for a change after the Vegas melt down two year ago. Then all he did was have his best off season as a GM and take this team from looking like they needed to tear it down and instead had back to back seasons where his club finished 4th OA and now will finish in the top 3 OA.

What he needs for his resume now is a deep run in the playoffs.

 

[Jets 31]

Don't we think we would have heard something by now of Ehlers wanting out if he did want out ? I just think both he and Chevy said wait until the season is over and we will try and hammer out a deal good for both sides.

 

[Jet]

There is no GM who has a higher degree of difficulty than Kevin when it comes to market conditions. Jim Nill in Dallas has a line of free agents and high end talent that want to play there if they can. His phone rings from agents pitching him. Chevy has the opposite and somehow he has his team competing for 1st overall.

I was always a Chevy fan but I was starting to think it was time for a change after the Vegas melt down two year ago. Then all he did was have his best off season as a GM and take this team from looking like they needed to tear it down and instead had back to back seasons where his club finished 4th OA and now will finish in the top 3 OA.

What he needs for his resume now is a deep run in the playoffs.

The NHL should just announce that we win all the awards. Vezina Hart Norris Jennings Jack Adam's GM of the Year

 

[Jet]

Don't we think we would have heard something by now of Ehlers wanting out if he did want out ? I just think both he and Chevy said wait until the season is over and we will try and hammer out a deal good for both sides.

Unfortunately I think the silence speaks volumes. I really don't see Nik staying and I think both sides are just being really professional about it

 

[surixon]

Unfortunately I think the silence speaks volumes. I really don't see Nik staying and I think both sides are just being really professional about it

Yeah the team is on the way to the playoffs. Everyone is dialed in and focused on that. It doesn't serve either party to rock the boat right now.

Fly will want to finish strong and have a good post season to maximize his value. Him having that serves the org as a better fly would hopefully lead to a deeper run.

As I've said before if the two sides were serious about a deal it would have been done by the deadline.

Now they could still come to one in the summer but I'd expect it's more likely that Nik is looking to test the market.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I was listening to the CJOB postgame broadcast after the Canucks game and a couple of the announcers were saying how well Chevy has done on contracts like Helle and Scheifele.

Then one of them said he was talking to Ehlers in the preseason, and asked him if he’d like to stay in Winnipeg. He said Niks reply was that he’d like too, but he wants to play for a team - where he’s wanted. So far it looks like the Jets have not shown much interest in Ehlers, and not showing signs that they want him? No rumours on contract discussions etc.

It looks to me that the Jets are very unsure as to what to do, and decided to let the season and playoffs play out, and then decide.

It’s a big risk doing it this way, as you can have a star player walk away for zero return. I’m sure the Jets weighed all the options.

I just hope Nik has a great playoff series and resigned as a Jet.

Nik wants to play where he’s wanted, and I believe that, as it’s not just about money with Nik.

What ish is definition of being wanted? Does his definition mean having Connor’s spot and the highest paid player on the team,then yeah he’s not wanted, Is it just a contract offer and the team saying hey Fly we want you to stay? you never know how players define these terms.

I think both parties are playing games. Also Chevy doesn’t want to get bent over so doesn’t list him as a core player. Maybe he knows ehlers has no intention to sign.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Unfortunately I think the silence speaks volumes. I really don't see Nik staying and I think both sides are just being really professional about it

I agree they are being silent and being professional. This is Jets org M.O.

However - also part of the Jets MO is getting value from all our assets.

I think it says something that Ehlers wasn’t traded last off season or during the year. They both must be open to the possibility of Ehlers staying. Whether he does or not is still obv very much in question. But I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion he is leaving.

 

[Jets 31]

I agree they are being silent and being professional. This is Jets org M.O.

However - also part of the Jets MO is getting value from all our assets.

I think it says something that Ehlers wasn’t traded last off season or during the year. They both must be open to the possibility of Ehlers staying. Whether he does or not is still obv very much in question. But I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion he is leaving.

Agreed, if Ehlers does leave and we get nothing that will hurt but on the other hand if Ehlers does want to move on Chevy got a hell of deadline day player for the playoffs for absolutely nothing.

 

[DRW204]

I agree they are being silent and being professional. This is Jets org M.O.

However - also part of the Jets MO is getting value from all our assets.

I think it says something that Ehlers wasn’t traded last off season or during the year. They both must be open to the possibility of Ehlers staying. Whether he does or not is still obv very much in question. But I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion he is leaving.

The Jets have had relatively pretty key pieces leave via ufa for nothing, and signed some big deals elsewhere. No one to the talent of Ehlers certainly, but still players who played pivotal roles on the team (top-6/9 fwds and top 4 D).

I'm with you though, I don't the Jets go into the year with Ehlers on the roster without some semblance of a feeling of knowing he's staying. Maybe that changes as the year progressed though, who knows.

 

[Buffdog]

You could well be right, but I think it’s a bloody shame and big loss for the Jets, not to sign Ehlers.

I should add to this, that if your post is true, and Nik wasn’t considered a core player, you have to ask yourself why he wasn’t traded ? Makes no sense?

On the other hand, he was never used on Power Play # 1 until this year, so maybe they do consider him a core player.

If he performs great in the playoffs, and wins them key games, they will almost be forced to sign him, as he is also a fan favourite.

Makes absolutely “ no sense” to let him walk for nothing. I’d be very pissed off to see that, and very let down by Chevy’s business acumen. Chevy and management, should not let petty personal feelings interfere with the clubs success, if your post is true.

Bottom line he’s an 80 point player with ample ice time, and we need him.

Re: "core player"...

I agree that he doesn't get mentioned in the same breath as Schief, JoMo, Lowry, Connor and Helle...

I wonder how much of that is just due to the fact that those guys are so tight off the ice. It appears Nik gets along well with those guys, but they spend time together in the offseason (Nik understandedly heads back home), they all seem to be married/family guys (Nik is a bit of a playboy, or at least he was), etc

Anyway, a little off topic... but it's been neat to watch these guys come in as 18 year old rookies and now they're all getting married and popping kids out. Hopefully we'll get to see the same thing happen with Smaberg, Perfetti, Vilardi, etc

 

[surixon]

I agree they are being silent and being professional. This is Jets org M.O.

However - also part of the Jets MO is getting value from all our assets.

I think it says something that Ehlers wasn’t traded last off season or during the year. They both must be open to the possibility of Ehlers staying. Whether he does or not is still obv very much in question. But I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion he is leaving.

I mean the team is trying to win a cup so one could argue keeping him and hopefully going on a lengthy run is getting value from their asset.

It's also possible that no one presented a hockey deal that suited the Jets for him. I doubt Chevy was interested in a pick and prospect deal.

Contending teams lose assests to FA all the time, it's part of the deal of trying to win a cup.

 

[10Ducky10]

If Chevy gives him 8 x 8.5m, another team will have to give him more than 9.7m to equal the cash. How many teams will top that?

11m
11m
9m
9m
8m
8m
6m
6m

 

[Weezeric]

There’s a lot up in the air with Ehlers. I personally want him to sign and would give him the same deal as Scheifele and Helle.

That being said, if the Jets go out in five games in the first round and Ehlers has 0-1 point in the series, I don’t think even the most ardent of Ehlers defenders will be wanting to give him 9M long term.

 

[Flair Hay]

There’s a lot up in the air with Ehlers. I personally want him to sign and would give him the same deal as Scheifele and Helle.

That being said, if the Jets go out in five games in the first round and Ehlers has 0-1 point in the series, I don’t even the most ardent of Ehlers defenders will be wanting to give him 9M long term.

Yeah no doubt, totally agreed

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

There’s a lot up in the air with Ehlers. I personally want him to sign and would give him the same deal as Scheifele and Helle.

That being said, if the Jets go out in five games in the first round and Ehlers has 0-1 point in the series, I don’t even the most ardent of Ehlers defenders will be wanting to give him 9M long term.

100%. I think the waiting is beneficial for both sides.

If we get bounced round 1 again. Clearly time to shake things up.

 

[ps241]

There’s a lot up in the air with Ehlers. I personally want him to sign and would give him the same deal as Scheifele and Helle.

That being said, if the Jets go out in five games in the first round and Ehlers has 0-1 point in the series, I don’t even the most ardent of Ehlers defenders will be wanting to give him 9M long term.

The playoff woes of a team that gets swept the last 4 games in a row every year is so much bigger than Ehlers but if we bow out the same way we usually do and he has another off year again then yes I can see both sides wanting a fresh start.