I’m glad those players you mentioned, all thought they were too big for their britches, and went elsewhere. I can’t think of a worse signing the Jets could have done, if they had signed Ladd. Thank God.
Ehlers why Didnt We Trade Him
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Special teams are driven by coaching. Good players are good of course. But both PP units have been good. Davis Payne is the linchpin to the success of the PP. Ehlers is one of many benefactors.
It's not as simple as add Ehlers then profit.
To reframe arguments over Ehlers' value a little bit... I think an important question is if we're looking at the difference between paying him 7.5 million and 8.5 million... is 1 million worth of cap space saved over a 6-8 year period worth losing Ehlers' impact? Is whatever the Jets are able to do with that additional savings more valuable than having Ehlers on the team?
im a bit cautious on the Jets PP. everyone is eating on that this year for sure. idk how replicable that PP success & efficiency is year over year.
ehlers' 5v5 stats are still v good relative to the team, however a bit down compared to his previous individual seasons though. i think playing with players who slump hard and & have trouble putting puck in the net at 5v5 may have something to do with it. in all regards, the improvement and his inclusion on PP1 came at the right time.
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These are the reasons Ehlers signs
1) His pay here will be the same, or close to what he could get.
2) He likes his teammates, and is well liked by the organization.
3) He likes the Coach here now, and how he’s being deployed, as opposed to previous years.
4) He’s loved by fans here in Winnipeg, and likes the City.
5) He’s playing for a 1st place club, that may be # 1 overall in the NHL
I’m sure his Dad, who was and likely still is a Coach will advise him of all these things.
He will not want to go to a rebuilding team, or a team that has locker room issues with a lot of infighting. Why would he ?
The only way I don’t see Ehlers signing, is if the Jets can’t make a competitive offer, or pay him for what he believes he’s worth, which I don’t see happening.
OR - he may carry a grudge that for many years, he wasn’t being deployed properly, or given adequate ice time for his talent.
All in all, when he weighs everything out, he’ll likely come to the conclusion that the Jets have treated him very well, the same as Helle and Scheifele did.
So, in conclusion, I think Nik would like to stay here, and will sign if he’s getting paid what he thinks he’s worth.
Having a great playoff run, will surely help his cause.
1) His pay here will be the same, or close to what he could get.
2) He likes his teammates, and is well liked by the organization.
3) He likes the Coach here now, and how he’s being deployed, as opposed to previous years.
4) He’s loved by fans here in Winnipeg, and likes the City.
5) He’s playing for a 1st place club, that may be # 1 overall in the NHL
I’m sure his Dad, who was and likely still is a Coach will advise him of all these things.
He will not want to go to a rebuilding team, or a team that has locker room issues with a lot of infighting. Why would he ?
The only way I don’t see Ehlers signing, is if the Jets can’t make a competitive offer, or pay him for what he believes he’s worth, which I don’t see happening.
OR - he may carry a grudge that for many years, he wasn’t being deployed properly, or given adequate ice time for his talent.
All in all, when he weighs everything out, he’ll likely come to the conclusion that the Jets have treated him very well, the same as Helle and Scheifele did.
So, in conclusion, I think Nik would like to stay here, and will sign if he’s getting paid what he thinks he’s worth.
Having a great playoff run, will surely help his cause.
It's a conundrum. I feel this team can't pay everyone legacy retirement contracts without it significantly hurting the team 3 to 4 years down the line. We already have 2 with Mark and Helle and will likely add another couple more with KC and Lowry. Can we also afford to have them with Pionk and Ehlers? That would be half your starting roster on expensive contracts for their decline years.
It isn't just about if Chevy can find a better use for say that extra one million next year or the year after but what about 3 or 4 years from now? Maybe the Jets are able to trade for another Vilardi caliber player in their mid 20's and need to reup them.
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If Ehlers wants to be here, I'm sure him and Chrvy can come up with a deal that's fair to both the player and the team. Chevy is excellent at that
If Ehlers doesn't want to be here, then I don't think that there's an amount that can get him to sign
If he's open to being here but also open to a change of scenery, then there is no reason he should sign here before seeing what other options are available to him in UFA in terms of both opportunity and salary. I'm guessing that's haw the convo went over the 4 Nations, but I have nothing to back that up aside from the lack of an extension and Lambert being switched to wing on the Moose
Yeah, we know that Chevy doesn't let his players walk to FA if they mutually want to continue the relationship.
I still believe Nikky is looking for a fresh start and bigger opportunity.
I think he'd be great on a team like Detroit who are trying to start making the playoffs and need more offense.
I still think he will get in excess of 9 million and upwards of 10 million per season, whether that is with the Jets or likely, some other team. This, despite highly suspect playoff contributions and never scoring more than 64 points in a season. The reasons for the big payout:
1. supply and demand - many teams, are missing a true top-6 winger..someone who can score more than 50 points per season, and the supply available this upcoming off-season is but a handful of players.
2. Salary cap increasing $25 million over the next 3 seasons - a $7 million dollar player today will be the equivalent of a $9 - $10 million player over the next few years. Bottom-6 players and bottom-pairing d-men will see relatively small increases in their salaries despite a 30% bump in the salary cap in the coming years.
1. supply and demand - many teams, are missing a true top-6 winger..someone who can score more than 50 points per season, and the supply available this upcoming off-season is but a handful of players.
2. Salary cap increasing $25 million over the next 3 seasons - a $7 million dollar player today will be the equivalent of a $9 - $10 million player over the next few years. Bottom-6 players and bottom-pairing d-men will see relatively small increases in their salaries despite a 30% bump in the salary cap in the coming years.
If Connor gets 12 I imagine marner asks for 14.
Connor is one point behind eichel and just behind the elite kuch, Mack mcd and Drai.
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Maybe? But, where does he fit in there? Will he have the same utilization? Also, if he has another weak playoffs will Carolina want him if they're trying to challenge for a cup?
He'd likely either be 2LW or 1RW there. His utilization might not change much at all. But they'll have a lot of cap space to work with. Their #1 target is likely Marner and if that falls through and Ehlers makes it to FA they will certainly put up a very competitive offer for him.
I guess I'm just wondering what's in it for each side.
The way I understand it (and I could be wrong - no inside info), Nik likes it here, and fits well in the room, but quietly he wants more opportunity. Hence, if he's going to go to another team, I think he'd want some assurances that he would get that.
Not sure if the Canes could or would offer him that.
On Carolina's side, what are they trying to do? Looks like they're still in win now mode. IF Nik doesn't perform well in these playoffs, wouldn't the 9 or so million dollars be better spent on a player who performs in the post season?
I guess I don't see the fit, personally.
Yeah, this year he's having has upped is negotiating power. He's probably in line for whatever the cap equivalent to the Panerin deal is.
Good post. I also think this plays into money as well. If he and the Jets envision his role differently then that would lead to them having different values in mind. If the Jets just see him as he is now as a second line player with top unit pp time then are they really prepared to pay max market value? Same for Nik, is he really going to to take less to play a lesser role then he wants.
If he goes he goes to get both the role he wants and the cash that comes with it.
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