Confirmed with Link: Egor Zamula Signs Two Year Contract - $1.7M AAV

[deadhead]

You've gotta be told annually that TC is a terrible evaluation tool. Hence the need to give them actual games, instead of deciding to sideline them an entire season because you didn't like a half-ice scrimmage

I'm told a lot of things here, much of which is nonsense.
TC is not a "terrible evaluation tool."

They see these guys in practice, they get medical and training evaluations, and finally the exhibition games.

They already have a lot of information on prospects, what they look for in TC is how prospects are progressing, physically and mentally. The exhibition games are the final piece, are they transferring those improvements to the ice. The media and fans focus on the games, the team has far more information.

The games are a small sample, but they're not the only "data" used to evaluate players.

And yes, sometimes a player has trained hard, comes to camp fired up, makes the team, and after 20 games he hits the wall b/c he's maxed out his talent - but those are exceptions, not the rule. More normally, a player makes the team b/c he's made a jump, and then is up and down like most young players before settling into a groove and showing why he made the team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm told a lot of things here, much of which is nonsense.
TC is not a "terrible evaluation tool."

They see these guys in practice, they get medical and training evaluations, and finally the exhibition games.

They already have a lot of information on prospects, what they look for in TC is how prospects are progressing, physically and mentally. The exhibition games are the final piece, are they transferring those improvements to the ice. The media and fans focus on the games, the team has far more information.

The games are a small sample, but they're not the only "data" used to evaluate players.

And yes, sometimes a player has trained hard, comes to camp fired up, makes the team, and after 20 games he hits the wall b/c he's maxed out his talent - but those are exceptions, not the rule. More normally, a player makes the team b/c he's made a jump, and then is up and down like most young players before settling into a groove and showing why he made the team.

If it is a good terrible evaluation tool, how come you are constantly wrong to dismiss players based on "bad" camps while boosting guys who had "good" camps? How come the results from leaning on these practices over actual game results aren't there?

Every year you and the team put undue emphasis on this fetal stage of the season and every year it goes wrong. That's because it's just part of the team's philosophy of creating artificial adversity. It is a failed philosophy that always produces failed results and always will.

 

[renberg]

IDK what Tortorella uses to evaluate players aside from reputation. He has stated that he doesn’t review tape. He doesn’t go to minor, college or junior league games. He often skips TC practices. Maybe he talks to scouts but I doubt it.

 

[deadhead]

If it is a good terrible evaluation tool, how come you are constantly wrong to dismiss players based on "bad" camps while boosting guys who had "good" camps? How come the results from leaning on these practices over actual game results aren't there?

Every year you and the team put undue emphasis on this fetal stage of the season and every year it goes wrong. That's because it's just part of the team's philosophy of creating artificial adversity. It is a failed philosophy that always produces failed results and always will.

The only thing that went wrong last season was Hart.
They overachieved by a wide margin.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

IDK what Tortorella uses to evaluate players aside from reputation. He has stated that he doesn’t review tape. He doesn’t go to minor, college or junior league games. He often skips TC practices. Maybe he talks to scouts but I doubt it.

he forms an opinion then its set in cement..

just ask that player from Columbus...think it was Hartnell but i could def. be wrong even when the player confronted Torts about his misevaulation Torts still wouldnt change his mind about what he thought..

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The only thing that went wrong last season was Hart.
They overachieved by a wide margin.

Also many other teams shit the bed. That elevated the Flyers more than anything.

PP didn't go wrong?

 

[Larry44]

IDK what Tortorella uses to evaluate players aside from reputation. He has stated that he doesn’t review tape. He doesn’t go to minor, college or junior league games. He often skips TC practices. Maybe he talks to scouts but I doubt it.

For only $4 million/year, you can't expect an NHL head coach to know the up and coming prospects of his team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The only thing that went wrong last season was Hart.
They overachieved by a wide margin.

Chiefly because of Hart, who had a down year but still made up for a lot of flaws. Ersson was also good enough before they ran him into the ground which seems like a coaching error to me. Once goaltending wasn't good, there was nothing else they were actually good at. If that's overachieving, then I fear your boy Fletcher must have made many more mistakes than just The One

 

[scumpup]

if our front office just blindly followed analytical scorecards they find on twitter and hfboardsdotcom like i do, we would be in a much better spot.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Chiefly because of Hart, who had a down year but still made up for a lot of flaws. Ersson was also good enough before they ran him into the ground which seems like a coaching error to me. Once goaltending wasn't good, there was nothing else they were actually good at. If that's overachieving, then I fear your boy Fletcher must have made many more mistakes than just The One

Flipside is they gave him the ball to run with to see what he can do. Was his chance to shine.
I place it more on the CO-GM as he didn't get him any help. Coach was riding his "best" option.

Goaltending is a huge question mark at this time. Cant wait to see how they do and how the coach deploys them. Kolosov has an opportunity if he shows up and is as good as they say.

 

[deadhead]

Chiefly because of Hart, who had a down year but still made up for a lot of flaws. Ersson was also good enough before they ran him into the ground which seems like a coaching error to me. Once goaltending wasn't good, there was nothing else they were actually good at. If that's overachieving, then I fear your boy Fletcher must have made many more mistakes than just The One

Goaltending was a little above average when Hart left. Then it cratered.
Otherwise team play was similar, except special teams decline a bit, probably due to chaos on the back end as defensemen cycled in and out of the lineup.

Hart's last game was 1/20/24. Team was 25-15-6 at that point. 13-18-5 rest of way.
46g: (GA - xGA)/60) = -0.12. xGF 52.53%, HDCF 52.76%, PP xGF/60: 7.30 (21), PK xGA/60: 6.99 (4)
36g: (GA - xGA)/60) = +0.77. xGF 52.37%, HDCF 54.00%, PP xGF/60: 6.52 (29), PK xGA/60: 7.75 (12)

Ersson was run into the ground b/c Fedotov was unavailable and Peterson was Peterson.

The last 36 games, the defense was decimated, Risto missed 31 games, Walker 19, Drysdale 16, Seeler 11.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Goaltending was a little above average when Hart left. Then it cratered.
Otherwise team play was similar, except special teams decline a bit, probably due to chaos on the back end as defensemen cycled in and out of the lineup.

Hart's last game was 1/20/24. Team was 25-15-6 at that point. 13-18-5 rest of way.
46g: (GA - xGA)/60) = -0.12. xGF 52.53%, HDCF 52.76%, PP xGF/60: 7.30 (21), PK xGA/60: 6.99 (4)
36g: (GA - xGA)/60) = +0.77. xGF 52.37%, HDCF 54.00%, PP xGF/60: 6.52 (29), PK xGA/60: 7.75 (12)

Ersson was run into the ground b/c Fedotov was unavailable and Peterson was Peterson.

The last 36 games, the defense was decimated, Risto missed 31 games, Walker 19, Drysdale 16, Seeler 11.

No Risto may be see as a positive. Even if they were all healthy that is not a good D corp. Reminds me of early 90's D.

 

[deadhead]

Risto 31g xGF 56.23%, HDCF 58.38%
He carried Zamula, it wasn't like he was paired with a top partner.
Shaw has done a great job turning him into a real defenseman.

Problem is coming off injury with that contract, he's unmovable - but give him a healthy season going into the TDL, there will be suitors for a big, defense first RHD.

 

[volnoir]

Problem is coming off injury with that contract, he's unmovable - but give him a healthy season going into the TDL, there will be suitors for a big, defense first RHD.

Except that the Flyers will hang on to him because he will be deemed, "too valuable an asset" come playoffs which they will be close enough to being in a spot for.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Risto 31g xGF 56.23%, HDCF 58.38%
He carried Zamula, it wasn't like he was paired with a top partner.
Shaw has done a great job turning him into a real defenseman.

Problem is coming off injury with that contract, he's unmovable - but give him a healthy season going into the TDL, there will be suitors for a big, defense first RHD.

There will not be any suitors. Even at 50% do not see a team take on the term that is left. Also what makes you think they want to even move him?

So he turned a 1st rd pick into an ok bottom pair dman. Is that really a great job?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Goaltending was a little above average when Hart left. Then it cratered.
Otherwise team play was similar, except special teams decline a bit, probably due to chaos on the back end as defensemen cycled in and out of the lineup.

Hart's last game was 1/20/24. Team was 25-15-6 at that point. 13-18-5 rest of way.
46g: (GA - xGA)/60) = -0.12. xGF 52.53%, HDCF 52.76%, PP xGF/60: 7.30 (21), PK xGA/60: 6.99 (4)
36g: (GA - xGA)/60) = +0.77. xGF 52.37%, HDCF 54.00%, PP xGF/60: 6.52 (29), PK xGA/60: 7.75 (12)

Ersson was run into the ground b/c Fedotov was unavailable and Peterson was Peterson.

The last 36 games, the defense was decimated, Risto missed 31 games, Walker 19, Drysdale 16, Seeler 11.

The team was nothing special. That achieving an average level for a stretch is considered such a feat is pretty poor.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The elite PK won them a lot of games last season. I don’t see that happening again

 

[BillDineen]

Not sure Zamula should have gotten any more tha Barron did tbh

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Flyers

Not sure Zamula should have gotten any more tha Barron did tbh

Always lose at the margins. Nothing to get worked up over but at the end of the day they all add up.

 

[freakydallas13]

People said there had to be a reason Fowler fell hard in 2010 too, but it turns out the reason was the teams that picked defencemen like Erik Gudbranson or Dylan McIlrath ahead of Fowler were stupid.

 

[volnoir]

People said there had to be a reason Fowler fell hard in 2010 too, but it turns out the reason was the teams that picked defencemen like Erik Gudbranson or Dylan McIlrath ahead of Fowler were stupid.

I remember reading an article on how high scoring dmen are looked at poorly by front offices who wrongly generalize that to be high scoring they also must be poor defensively. Also that the more they score the more in the execs minds the defensive play must suffer. Funny thing about Buium is, his defensive numbers were fantastic.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

he forms an opinion then its set in cement..

just ask that player from Columbus...think it was Hartnell but i could def. be wrong even when the player confronted Torts about his misevaulation Torts still wouldnt change his mind about what he thought..

Yea you are right. Basically Hartnell went a few games without playing late in the 3rd period - despite putting up points, and he went to talk to Torts. Torts said he didn't trust Scotty defensively and they'll watch tape together about positioning and how he can improve.

Torts called him back a day later and apologized to Hartnell and said that they couldn't find anything on tape, but he still doesn't trust him out there lol.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yea you are right. Basically Hartnell went a few games without playing late in the 3rd period - despite putting up points, and he went to talk to Torts. Torts said he didn't trust Scotty defensively and they'll watch tape together about positioning and how he can improve.

Torts called him back a day later and apologized to Hartnell and said that they couldn't find anything on tape, but he still doesn't trust him out there lol.

guy is perfect for the Flyers... thats why hes moving up the chain soon..

godam feedback loop...