Confirmed with Link: Edmonton trades for Trent Frederic and Max Jones and rights to Petr Hauser for Shane Lachance, Max Wanner, St. Louis' 2nd pick in `25, Edm 4th in `26

[CantHaveTkachev]

Yes, Oiler fans want upgrades. Key word being upgrade. The Oilers not only traded for a player who is having a worse season than every single one of our forwards, they paid a hilarious premium for him.

Frederic is having the kind of season where you pick him up for a 4th at the deadline. Paying a 2nd+++ for him is a joke of asset management.

paying a 2nd and a couple of long-shot prospects is now paying a "premium" lol

 

[unicornBLOOD]

I’m not the one who brought up the comparison.

Also don’t give a f*** about #intangibles

it's way more than intangibles. Stats, like goals and assists, aren't the only metric that matters in hockey. Look at Slavin, how good is he? his stats don't scream 7 million a year, yet, he's worth every penny.

 

[Spawn]

paying a 2nd and a couple of long-shot prospects is now paying a "premium" lol

For a guy playing like a 4th liner this year?

100%

it's way more than intangibles. Stats, like goals and assists, aren't the only metric that matters in hockey. Look at Slavin, how good is he? his stats don't scream 7 million a year, yet, he's worth every penny.

Slavin is an elite defensive player.

Frederic isn’t.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

For a guy playing like a 4th liner this year?

100%

you realize they needed salary retention...
and who is playing well in Boston this year?

 

[Spawn]

I don’t think that xGA stat tells you what you think it does

Educate me wise one

 

[Jarvi]

And how about their respective 26YO seasons?

Talking about untapped potential for a 27 year old soon to be UFA

Hyman had 21g and 41pts
Yeah, he's having a bad year. He also doesn't get consistent linemates whatsoever, mostly with guys like Kastelic, Brazeau and Coyle, whereas Hyman spent 70% of his time with Marner and Tavares that year.

Listen, I'm not saying he will score 50 for us. I'm just hopeful he might be able to fill in that type of role in the top 6 potentially. And if he did, and we could re-sign him cheap due to his down year, wouldn't that be cool? Or does everyone here need to be a negative, whiny bitch all the time?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Haha, not sure if an intended joke, but the planets literally did align 2 days ago.

Yeah, haha, somewhat. They were all close to alignment in the night sky. Good catch. Didn't think anybody would get that one.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

I think most of us here just want a goalie more than anything else, this stuff about Frederic and McCarron was pushed on us by the Oiler state media, and yeah, sure it's important to get bigger and tougher, but everyone, especially our potential playoff opponents, can see the glaring hole we have in net.

Just like last season, everyone was calling for a Top-4 D (and I wanted a goalie too), but instead of solving priority number one, they traded for priority number 3...

what goalie would you want, and would be available, and would be a clear upgrade? I'm curious, I don't see any, and I'm fully on board that goaltending is their biggest need. Blackwood would of been a good gamble, Askirov would of been a good long term gamble, and maybe even worked out for this year, but those ships have sailed. I'm bot arguing that Edmonton doesn't need a goalie, I just don't see one that is available for them right now.

 

[Spawn]

you realize they needed salary retention...
and who is playing well in Boston this year?

You’re right. Let’s trade for every bad player on every bad team. 5D chess right there

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

some Oiler fans are crazy, they want upgrades, but they don't want to give up the assets to get them. Prices are high at the deadline, and if you don't have cap room, they are even higher. If you want upgrades, they are going to cost a pretty penny. This deal definitely was not cheap, considering that Fredric is a pending UFA, and is having a pretty poor year. That being said, he's 27, he's big, he's physical, and he's tough. All things that Edmonton could use for sure.

Sone people are just constantly negative. It’s why I rarely post here anymore.

 

[oXo Cube]

Honestly looking at it again it’s not that bad.

We traded a prospect who wasn’t going to sign with us, another prospect whose development has stalled a bit, and a 2nd for double retention on a guy who has scored 15+ goals in his last two seasons from a middle 6 role on good teams.

Frederic is more or less exactly what they needed in the middle 6. If he was scoring at the same rates as his last two seasons the cost would’ve been a first round pick (and more likely Tampa would’ve done their 1-6 round picks for him lol).

It’s not that bad.

Yes it is that bad. This guy is being outscored by Adam Henrique. Struggling 3rd/4th line tweeners go for third round picks or worse. Facilitating extra retention from a third party has a historical price of like a fifth round pick not two passable prospects. If you're even right that the one wasn't going to sign you could still do better by moving his rights elsewhere.

But I'm sure the board will gaslight itself into thinking this is fine just like it did with Henrique and Bjugstad and Athanasiou.

Disclaimer: I don't dislike Frederic as a player. He'll help and would have been a smart Buy low option if the team had actually bought low.

Can’t control the climate or the tax rate. Always going to be a tough sled in Canada, especially Alberta. Too cold, too expensive when it comes to the tax man.

The hell does any of this have to do with how much it costs the Oilers to get players in terms of trade assets?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

You’re right. Let’s trade for every bad player on every bad team. 5D chess right there

So maybe he’s just a product of a bad team

 

[Vagabond]

I'm not worried about American players wanting to play in Edmonton. Why? Edmonton has never had much of an issue of Americans wanting to stay here.

Doug Weight never wanted to be traded. Economics forced him out. Same with Bill Guerin.

Jason Arnott was forced out by the fans. Same with Poti.

Connor Hellebuyck Signed a 7 year extension with Winnipeg.. and that's fukking Winnipeg!

Just because a couple big names from the USA left Calgary, doesn't mean it happens here.

 

[oXo Cube]

I'm not worried about American players wanting to play in Edmonton. Why? Edmonton has never had much of an issue of Americans wanting to stay here.

Doug Weight never wanted to be traded. Economics forced him out. Same with Bill Guerin.

Jason Arnott was forced out by the fans. Same with Poti.

Connor Hellebuyck Signed a 7 year extension with Winnipeg.. and that's fukking Winnipeg!

Just because a couple big names from the USA left Calgary, doesn't mean it happens here.

Edmonton in general hasn't really had any issue with players wanting to stay once they're already here. At least not since they've reached a competitive financial position.


The problem has always been attracting them here in the first place.

 

[guymez]

For a guy playing like a 4th liner this year?

100%

So your logic is...buy high?

 

[Spawn]

So maybe he’s just a product of a bad team

Or maybe his dog shit season is a contributing factor to the Bruins being crappy this year.

Either way, why are we paying a 2nd round pick for a guy playing like a 4th liner right now.

I have no qualms adding a guy like Frederic. I just take huge issue with giving up one of our most valuable trading pieces for him.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

For a guy playing like a 4th liner this year?

100%


Slavin is an elite defensive player.

Frederic isn’t.

I totally agree they paid a pretty handsome amount for what Fredric is, and more importantly what he has done this season. Was it a crazy amount? Not in my eyes, but he was not cheap. That being said, Fredric makes 2.1 a year, and was retained down to 525,000 per. He doesn't get paid like an elite defender, and the package that they traded for him is no where near what it would cost to acquire an elite defender.

I think the Oilers could use a lot of what Fredric is capable of. More than a #1 goalie? nope. More than a top 4 D? nope. More than a true top 6 winger? nope. But, they literally have no cap room, Fredric at 525000 is at a cap hit that they can have him and Kane on the roster if Kane is an Oiler after the deadline and plays in the regular season. I'm sure there aren't many options that would fit all of this criteria, and that's a big reason why they made this trade.

 

[Vagabond]

Edmonton in general hasn't really had any issue with players wanting to stay once they're already here. At least not since they've reached a competitive financial position.


The problem has always been attracting them here in the first place.

That was true back in the day. As you said tho, once here, they loved it.

 

[Cloned]

Yes it is that bad. This guy is being outscored by Adam Henrique. Struggling 3rd/4th line tweeners go for third round picks or worse. Facilitating extra retention from a third party has a historical price of like a fifth round pick not two passable prospects. If you're even right that the one wasn't going to sign you could still do better by moving his rights elsewhere.

But I'm sure the board will gaslight itself into thinking this is fine just like it did with Henrique and Bjugstad and Athanasiou.

Disclaimer: I don't dislike Frederic as a player. He'll help and would have been a smart Buy low option if the team had actually bought low.



The hell does any of this have to do with how much it costs the Oilers to get players in terms of trade assets?

Frederic is different than those players. All of them were putting up points playing bigger minutes on bad teams. Of course their production would get slashed here playing smaller roles.

Frederic put up his points playing middle 6 roles on good teams. The Oilers are a good team. He’s a good fit that would’ve cost far more if he was producing as he was the last two seasons

 

[MessierThanThou]

what goalie would you want, and would be available, and would be a clear upgrade? I'm curious, I don't see any, and I'm fully on board that goaltending is their biggest need. Blackwood would of been a good gamble, Askirov would of been a good long term gamble, and maybe even worked out for this year, but those ships have sailed. I'm bot arguing that Edmonton doesn't need a goalie, I just don't see one that is available for them right now.

A clear upgrade is easier than you think. Clear enough to win the Cup, I don't know...

If no Binner or Gibson, call about Alex Lyon, Cam Talbot, Anton Forsberg, Leevi Merilainen, Jonathan Quick, Soderblom, all of them are actually playing better than our tandem, most if not all of them behind a worse defense, and are potentially available.

And if not, run a three-headed dragon with a cheap NHL vet in James Reimer who can be had for a bag of pucks and see what happens, and it's also just good for insurance since we might be even more f***ed having to rely on Rodrigue and Colin Delia if our tandem gets injured or Skinner implodes again. All of those ideas are better than giving up on net and going with this status quo into the postseason.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

Why do we draft NCAA at all then if that is the case? Brindamour, Marino, Lachance, etc etc etc. Poor decisions if we continue to do the same thing over and over again without learning.

take the best guy available, and hope for the best, it also allows extra time for prospects to develop and, at the very least, maybe gain some trade value.

i hate the rule though, it's a loophole that rarely works in the favour of Canadian teams. Sure we got Justin Schultz through it, but we lost Marino. Calgary lost Adam Fox, which is way worse. I hope they get rid of that rule in the next CBA.

 

[Shizuka]

Any word on how long Frederic is out for? The clip of the injury didn't look great. Furthermore, he's hitting UFA status and very likely will not re-sign here. While I don't mind the type of player he is the price was a little high for this -- an overpay for a rental a la Bjugstad. Max Jones is just a body for the AHL I guess.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Any word on how long Frederic is out for? The clip of the injury didn't look great. Furthermore, he's hitting UFA status and very likely will not re-sign here. While I don't mind the type of player he is the price was a little high for this -- an overpay for a rental a la Bjugstad. Max Jones is just a body for the AHL I guess.

John Shannon said he got his walking boot off recently and should be 2 to 3 weeks away, so not too bad.

Jones is an NHL tweener who can add size and toughness on the 4th line.

It is a bit of an overpay, but I think they see Frederick as a guy who can play wing in the top-6

 

[Jumptheshark]

Boston would not have traded him if they thought he was going be able to resign him. If he does sign with the Blues? Can I buy a nuke and take out that city?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Boston would not have traded him if they thought he was going be able to resign him. If he does sign with the Blues? Can I buy a nuke and take out that city?

I think they got what they wanted as far as value and were going to use different bodies in his role. If they see him as purely a bottom-6 winger with toughness, they may not want to give him a raise over his current deal.