Confirmed with Link: Edmonton trades for Trent Frederic and Max Jones and rights to Petr Hauser for Shane Lachance, Max Wanner, St. Louis' 2nd pick in `25, Edm 4th in `26

[Boner Pills]

I'll be busy on Thursday and Friday and have to get my reactions in today. heh

Totality? This is probably the eclipse right here. All the planets would have to align for the Oilers to make a move on getting a starting goalie.

This is the Oilers big splash imo. They tend to get a name player and a no name player later. Kind of how they've done things.

Haha, not sure if an intended joke, but the planets literally did align 2 days ago.

 

[Spawn]

I don't mind it. I'm lower than most on Wanner and Lachance though.

Wanner has always kind of been a nothing prospect to me. If his name was Maxim Wanné and he played in the QMJHL, no one would even know his name. His hype was entirely manufactured by Stauffer talking up anyone who plays in the WHL.

Lachance has always struck me as an Alex Chiasson-esque tweener. Not quite enough skill to play in the top6. Not quite enough tools to play in the bottom 6. He's kind of like Chiasson where he scores a lot on the PP, but it's rare you'll see any 3rd/4th liner on an NHL PP. I don't think he's a huge loss.


Hopefully they don't fool around and play Frederic on McDavid's wing.

The problem is blowing assets on a player like Frederic at all. The 2nd is the biggest loss here. For a guy who doesn’t really PK, sucks defensively and is producing less than literally every single forward on our roster.

All because he hits.

 

[McDNicks17]

The problem is blowing assets on a player like Frederic at all. The 2nd is the biggest loss here. For a guy who doesn’t really PK, sucks defensively and is producing less than literally every single forward on our roster.

All because he hits.

I think there's a bit of recency bias there.

He's having a rough year on a bad team, but he's had great scoring numbers at 5v5 and excellent defensive results prior to this year.

 

[GreeningOil]

Henrique and either of our terrible goalies is not getting you gibson retained. Not even close.

Gibson is cooked

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

You aren’t wrong. The cupboard is bare for the foreseeable future.

The benefit to the cap rising so rapidly and by the large amount, there will be fewer teams spending right to the cap because of cash flow and other business reasons. Having a flush owner willing to spend all of the annual cap will give the Oiler’s an advantage over an estimated 1/3 of the league, by being able to be involved in more UFA transactions than these others.

Its not the best way to build an organization (the Oilers need to shore up their pro scouting dept to make these UFA adds meaningful) but at least they should still be able to compete for an above average roster into McDrai’s later contract stages.

Yup, agree. I've posted on this likely reality a couple times over the past little while. It has to be their organizational strategy especially pushing out a couple promising mid-range prospects today. I think they will keep Savoie and O'Reilly for sure as future cheap entry level deals at key positions, top 6 forward and 3C (post Henrique). Maybe Ackie who's stalled a wee bit.

But the inflationary cap big jumps over next three years ultimately to $113 million will be this organization's saving grace. As a top revenue driver, I fully anticipate they will spend to the cap while many organizations will fall into cap tiers based on their own market and cap restrictions. Gonna guess too that Connor's next deal incorporates salary deferral to further help their buying power.

Not an efficient way to operate. But this team cut itself off at the neck with abysmal draft development decisions on their few pedigree homegrown talent.

 

[Spawn]

I think there's a bit of recency bias there.

He's having a rough year on a bad team, but he's had great scoring numbers at 5v5 and excellent defensive results prior to this year.

He’s a UFA who is likely to play 10 regular season games and the playoffs for us. It’s not recency bias, it’s literally all that matters.

We are once again paying a premium for what a player used to be. Not what they are today. This org constantly does this going back all the way to a guy like Athanasiou.

 

[McDNicks17]

He’s a UFA who is likely to play 10 regular season games and the playoffs for us. It’s not recency bias, it’s literally all that matters.

Seems like you're implying that he won't improve going to a better team which is a little silly to me.

 

[Spawn]

Seems like you're implying that he won't improve going to a better team which is a little silly to me.

Just like Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique improved here coming from worse teams? Since when do players come here and improve.

 

[tiger_80]

We now have Henrique and Frederique. Stanley cup is coming.

 

[McDNicks17]

Just like Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique improved here coming from worse teams? Since when do players come here and improve.

It all depends on usage.

I'd rather wait and see how fits than doom and gloom now.

 

[tiger_80]

You guys will love him. Dont judge him on this season, he's being dragged down by the crapfest that is the Bruins right now. Big kid, has an edge and scores skill and dirty work goals. He's going to flourish with the linemate upgrades he'll get in Edmonton

Seems like maybe a better Kostin or Maroon. How does he play?

 

[MessierThanThou]

Gibson is cooked

Third in GSAx for goalies who have played a minimum of 25 games, only behind Thompson and Hellebuyck and behind a worse defense. I think a better argument can be made that Stu is cooked: 31st out of 36 goalies who have played at least 25 games this season.

 

[Canovin]

Just like Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique improved here coming from worse teams? Since when do players come here and improve.

Hyman, Kulak, Ekholm, Pickard just off the top off my head

 

[McTedi]

I like Frederic, young power forward. I think the trade will make the Oilers better. Too many roster players, someone has to be leaving soon.

Just like Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique improved here coming from worse teams? Since when do players come here and improve.

Lol, nice silly post.

 

[Spawn]

Hyman, Kulak, Ekholm, Pickard just off the top off my head

I’ll give you Hyman and Pickard (although being a barely passable backup is hardly much to write home about)

Kulak and Ekholm are the same players they were on their previous teams. I’d argue Ekholm is actually worse now, but that’s just because he’s getting older. He was great when we acquired him and last year.

 

[OilerTyler]

Yep, the instant he gets traded it’s time to start making stuff up. It’s like when we traded away Kesselring and people said it was because he didn’t want to play here and wouldn’t sign (that one was especially stupid because he was already under contract with Edmonton).

Lachance paid his own way to 3 development camps for the Oilers. There’s never been any indication he wouldn’t sign here that I’ve seen.

 

[bucks_oil]

The problem is blowing assets on a player like Frederic at all. The 2nd is the biggest loss here. For a guy who doesn’t really PK, sucks defensively and is producing less than literally every single forward on our roster.

All because he hits.

His on-ice goals against per 60 is:
2.1
1.4
1.6
2.4 (this year, a "down year")

Granted it's Boston, but very few on our team has oiGA stats like that. Where is the basis to say he's poor defensively? Have you seen him play?

You are talking to a Boston native who has... nobody here is criticizing his defensive play, only his recent lack of intensity (struggling team) and offensive finish (which also shows in the numbers... he went from 2.4, 3.2, 2.7 to ... 1.6 this year)

Nobody has oiGA

I think there's a bit of recency bias there.

He's having a rough year on a bad team, but he's had great scoring numbers at 5v5 and excellent defensive results prior to this year.

Agree

We are once again paying a premium for what a player used to be. Not what they are today.

This is very dramatic... this guy USED TO BE 26 years old two weeks ago.

And we actually GAINED cap on this transaction... he'll be paid $575K AAV, the guy coming off our roster will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1M to $1.3M (the max you can bury).

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Just like Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique improved here coming from worse teams? Since when do players come here and improve.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see all 3 of those guys had their numbers spike if they play with Frederic.

All 3 are struggling to find open ice this year, due to their meh size and speed. But having a 220lb linemate constantly driving the net and taking a defender (or two) with him should help open some room.

 

[belair]

I hope you do see the irony though of paying what we did for Fredric and IF we can sign him it will be for more than we could have matched Holloway for and would still have Lachance, and a second and Wanner and a 4th.

I do. I would've matched Holloway myself. But that's not what the organization did. I've moved on.

I think it would be foolish to allow Frederic to walk over a couple hundred thousand dollars now that we've got his rights. He's got a good baseline as a sturdy two way NHL forward who's willing to drop the gloves for his teammates. That'll play in the West.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

What are these "all reports" the first that has ever been brought up which is just throwingg stuff against the wall is today. Show me anything before today where it stated it and he was not a UFA this summer anyway. As Servalli pointed out the comparable cost for Fredric is a 2nd round. We gave a 2nd, a 4th, our third best prospect, a promisning defensive prospect for Fredric and an AHL and a 6th round prospect.


Yep. Does great against men in college. Many big guys with hands have carved out a path in the NHl that were not great skaters....something that can be worked on as well. Captain of one of the best college programs in the US as a sophmore and a point of game player.

his dad is the head scout with NJ, he's an American kid, he's a college kid, he's unsigned, he can choose not to sign here, and then choose to sign anywhere that he wants. This is a lot more than throwing stuff against the wall.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

some Oiler fans are crazy, they want upgrades, but they don't want to give up the assets to get them. Prices are high at the deadline, and if you don't have cap room, they are even higher. If you want upgrades, they are going to cost a pretty penny. This deal definitely was not cheap, considering that Fredric is a pending UFA, and is having a pretty poor year. That being said, he's 27, he's big, he's physical, and he's tough. All things that Edmonton could use for sure.

 

[brentashton]

What are these "all reports" the first that has ever been brought up which is just throwingg stuff against the wall is today. Show me anything before today where it stated it and he was not a UFA this summer anyway. As Servalli pointed out the comparable cost for Fredric is a 2nd round. We gave a 2nd, a 4th, our third best prospect, a promisning defensive prospect for Fredric and an AHL and a 6th round prospect.


Yep. Does great against men in college. Many big guys with hands have carved out a path in the NHl that were not great skaters....something that can be worked on as well. Captain of one of the best college programs in the US as a sophmore and a point of game player.

Stauffer has suggested it a few times on his show and not just recently but earlier in the season that it would be a challenge to sign him. You know Bob’s way of foreshadowing things? He was in full form anytime LaChance was discussed.

This is not new information.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Seems like maybe a better Kostin or Maroon. How does he play?

3rd line - 2nd line tweener. Good skater for his size, plays a north south game, goes to the dirty areas on offense and pays the price for net front goals. He's also a good hitter and can drop the mitts.

Edmonton era Maroon is a good comp but with a touch more skill and better skating

 

[tiger_80]

3rd line - 2nd line tweener. Good skater for his size, plays a north south game, goes to the dirty areas on offense and pays the price for net front goals. He's also a good hitter and can drop the mitts.

Edmonton era Maroon is a good comp but with a touch more skill and better skating

He's a winger, right?

some Oiler fans are crazy, they want upgrades, but they don't want to give up the assets to get them. Prices are high at the deadline, and if you don't have cap room, they are even higher. If you want upgrades, they are going to cost a pretty penny. This deal definitely was not cheap, considering that Fredric is a pending UFA, and is having a pretty poor year. That being said, he's 27, he's big, he's physical, and he's tough. All things that Edmonton could use for sure.

He's the type of UFA, who might be worth keeping around. Kane is old and oft injured. Skinner will be gone.

 

[aspin3]

Why do we draft NCAA at all then if that is the case? Brindamour, Marino, Lachance, etc etc etc. Poor decisions if we continue to do the same thing over and over again without learning.