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Proposal: Edmonton - Tampa Bay

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Blue Goose

Blue Goose

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EDM gets: Valteri Filppula ($5M), Andrej Sustr ($1.45M), 2017 2nd rd pick
TB gets: Patrick Maroon ($1.5M), Anton Lander ($987.5K)

TB gets $4M in cap space to re-sign Kucherov, plus remove the second year of Filppula’s deal to help with next summer’s RFA signings. Moving Sustr also opens up a roster spot on their bottom pair to sign Wisniewski. Maroon gives them another winger to fill in during Callahan’s absence (and insurance in case they lose Killorn in the expansion draft), and Lander can help with center depth to replace Filppula, or get sent to the AHL if they don’t need him.

EDM gets a bottom pair RHD in Sustr, which allows them to give Nurse top pair minutes in the AHL. In Filppula, they get flexibility: he can play 3LW (a 3rd line of Filppula-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi would be solid) OR if the Oilers want Draisaitl to play wing in the top-6, Filppula can slot in as #3C. It seemed like injuries to their Centers really doomed the Oilers last year, and I think Filppula would be valuable depth so that they wouldn’t miss a beat if someone got hurt. And I know the Oilers have Pakarinen as a fellow Finn to help JP adjust to North America, but why not bring in another (especially if Pakarinen spends time down in the AHL)? The 2nd rounder is additional incentive to take on Filppula’s contract, which expires just before McD’s next contract kicks in. But does TB need to add extra incentive? :dunno:

I can’t really guess the Lightning’s line combinations (because of the Callahan injury), but these D pairs look pretty good to me:

Hedman-Stralman
Garrison-Coburn
Koekkoek-Wisniewski
Nesterov

Edmonton’s D pairs wouldn’t look too shabby either:

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Fayne
Davidson-Sustr
Oesterle
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Maroon is a is part of EDM's new identity, can't see him being moved. They also don't need a 2nd round pick, they are looking to win now.

Tampa obviously make out like bandits by shedding Filppula's cap hit.
 
Would Filppula waive his no-trade clause to play in Edmonton?

Is Sustr any better than Gryba?

Does Edmonton have the cap space to take on that much salary? (Not really)

I'm leaning towards not wanting to do this trade from an Edmonton POV.
 
tempest2i said:
would filppula waive his no-trade clause to play in edmonton?

is sustr any better than gryba?

does edmonton have the cap space to take on that much salary? (not really)

i'm leaning towards not wanting to do this trade from an edmonton pov.
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yes!
 
Big no from Edmonton. We aren't in a position to take on that much without it being a massive improvement on d. I have seen more negative comments about Sustr than positive from TB fans and have no interest in another bottom pairing d. Maroon has also quickly become a fan favorite and as another poster said fits the identity Chiarelli is aiming for. I like Filppula more than most and would be interested in him there was some retention /money going back.
 
Love Maroon on the Oil! He just lost 25lbs this off season too and he said he's committed to Edmonton. Doubt we'd trade him. Ever more so since the Ducks retained salary on him for some bizarre reason.
 
SB84 said:
Maroon is a is part of EDM's new identity, can't see him being moved.
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McWeber said:
Maroon has also quickly become a fan favorite and as another poster said fits the identity Chiarelli is aiming for. I like Filppula more than most and would be interested in him there was some retention /money going back.
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MikeModano9 said:
Love Maroon on the Oil! He just lost 25lbs this off season too and he said he's committed to Edmonton. Doubt we'd trade him. Ever more so since the Ducks retained salary on him for some bizarre reason.
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Okay, I can respect that. I know a lot was made about McDavid's body language on TV when the Oilers won the draft lottery (non-story, if you ask me), but I just remember seeing Maroon interviewed on HNIC after the trade to Edmonton and he looked absolutely miserable. If he's committed to that city, then all the best to him. :)

As far as my OP, what if I swapped Maroon for Hendricks?

Question for EDM fans: assuming the EDM top 6 is set with Lucic/McD/Pouliot/RNH/Eberle/Yak (or Drai) are you okay having Maroon on the 3rd line with some combination of JP/Drai/Versteeg OR would you rather have someone like Filppula to push Maroon down to the 4th line? That's what I was getting at - I know Filppula's contract is large, but I could see him being a valuable contributor for that young team.
 
Blue Goose said:
Okay, I can respect that. I know a lot was made about McDavid's body language on TV when the Oilers won the draft lottery (non-story, if you ask me), but I just remember seeing Maroon interviewed on HNIC after the trade to Edmonton and he looked absolutely miserable. If he's committed to that city, then all the best to him. :)

As far as my OP, what if I swapped Maroon for Hendricks?

Question for EDM fans: assuming the EDM top 6 is set with Lucic/McD/Pouliot/RNH/Eberle/Yak (or Drai) are you okay having Maroon on the 3rd line with some combination of JP/Drai/Versteeg OR would you rather have someone like Filppula to push Maroon down to the 4th line? That's what I was getting at - I know Filppula's contract is large, but I could see him being a valuable contributor for that young team.
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Nah we want Maroon in the top 9, personally I prefer him to Lucic as a partner with Mcdavid. Flip would be a great 3rd line center for us if we decided to bump drai up to the 2nd line RW but the salary is a bit prohibitive. Hendricks is another guy we loathe to give up because he isn't really worth that much to other teams but hes the most vocal guy in the room and the first to really step up for the team. When the other team takes liberties its Hendy who retaliates, when the team is dragging their ass or moping he is the guy that is trying to light the fire under them. Personally I would wanna see him retire an Oiler or send him home to Minnesota for a year to be with his family. If you just want a forward back Yak is probably your best bet, its looking more and more lie hes out the door. I have been one of his biggest supporters but even I am ready to concede both sides need a change.
 
McWeber said:
Nah we want Maroon in the top 9, personally I prefer him to Lucic as a partner with Mcdavid. Flip would be a great 3rd line center for us if we decided to bump drai up to the 2nd line RW but the salary is a bit prohibitive. Hendricks is another guy we loathe to give up because he isn't really worth that much to other teams but hes the most vocal guy in the room and the first to really step up for the team. When the other team takes liberties its Hendy who retaliates, when the team is dragging their ass or moping he is the guy that is trying to light the fire under them. Personally I would wanna see him retire an Oiler or send him home to Minnesota for a year to be with his family.
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Understandable. But I was figuring that Lucic would be that guy who steps up for the team, a la Hendricks. But I guess it doesn't hurt to have more than one of those players.

McWeber said:
If you just want a forward back Yak is probably your best bet, its looking more and more like hes out the door. I have been one of his biggest supporters but even I am ready to concede both sides need a change.
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See, I'm in the camp that feels that there's only one spot in the EDM lineup that suits Yak - as the RW on McDavid's line. Yak is a trigger man - a pure sniper - and he needs a terrific center to set him up. I thought they looked great together last season. I understand how some fans think Yak has to "earn" his spot on McD's wing, but I really don't see anywhere else in the lineup where he can be completely effective. I think the best bet is to put Yak on McD's wing, and if it's not working, move Yak at the deadline before he becomes RFA and you need to protect him for expansion.

So with mine/your suggestion, the Oil line combos would look something like this:

Maroon - McDavid - Yakupov
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Draisaitl - Puljujarvi
Hendricks - Letestu - Kassian

Not bad. But would that make Pouliot expendable?
 
Blue Goose said:
EDM gets: Valteri Filppula ($5M), Andrej Sustr ($1.45M), 2017 2nd rd pick
TB gets: Patrick Maroon ($1.5M), Anton Lander ($987.5K)

TB gets $4M in cap space to re-sign Kucherov, plus remove the second year of Filppula’s deal to help with next summer’s RFA signings. Moving Sustr also opens up a roster spot on their bottom pair to sign Wisniewski. Maroon gives them another winger to fill in during Callahan’s absence (and insurance in case they lose Killorn in the expansion draft), and Lander can help with center depth to replace Filppula, or get sent to the AHL if they don’t need him.

EDM gets a bottom pair RHD in Sustr, which allows them to give Nurse top pair minutes in the AHL. In Filppula, they get flexibility: he can play 3LW (a 3rd line of Filppula-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi would be solid) OR if the Oilers want Draisaitl to play wing in the top-6, Filppula can slot in as #3C. It seemed like injuries to their Centers really doomed the Oilers last year, and I think Filppula would be valuable depth so that they wouldn’t miss a beat if someone got hurt. And I know the Oilers have Pakarinen as a fellow Finn to help JP adjust to North America, but why not bring in another (especially if Pakarinen spends time down in the AHL)? The 2nd rounder is additional incentive to take on Filppula’s contract, which expires just before McD’s next contract kicks in. But does TB need to add extra incentive? :dunno:

I can’t really guess the Lightning’s line combinations (because of the Callahan injury), but these D pairs look pretty good to me:

Hedman-Stralman
Garrison-Coburn
Koekkoek-Wisniewski
Nesterov

Edmonton’s D pairs wouldn’t look too shabby either:

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Fayne
Davidson-Sustr
Oesterle
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In Filppula the Oilers get one of the worst contracts in the NHL. He has a NMC, which means he has to agree to be moved but then the Oilers MUST protect him in the Expansion Draft... who would you propose the Oilers protect/expose in the Expansion Draft if this trade were to happen. No thanks.
 
Blue Goose said:
Understandable. But I was figuring that Lucic would be that guy who steps up for the team, a la Hendricks. But I guess it doesn't hurt to have more than one of those players.



See, I'm in the camp that feels that there's only one spot in the EDM lineup that suits Yak - as the RW on McDavid's line. Yak is a trigger man - a pure sniper - and he needs a terrific center to set him up. I thought they looked great together last season. I understand how some fans think Yak has to "earn" his spot on McD's wing, but I really don't see anywhere else in the lineup where he can be completely effective. I think the best bet is to put Yak on McD's wing, and if it's not working, move Yak at the deadline before he becomes RFA and you need to protect him for expansion.

So with mine/your suggestion, the Oil line combos would look something like this:

Maroon - McDavid - Yakupov
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Draisaitl - Puljujarvi
Hendricks - Letestu - Kassian

Not bad. But would that make Pouliot expendable?
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I have been open to that exact lineup, but media and past history of the coach says otherwise. I don't think Yak ever see's Mcdavid's RW again because Todd wants him and Eberle to be a pair. Versteeg is going to get a contract and Yak will be out the door. I also anticipate Puljujarvi starting in the AHL, likely Caggiula takes his spot. Maroon may have been injured last night which could buy Yak some time but to me it feels like the Oilers have moved on from him and are praying for a buyer before opening night.
 
1) Yak hasn't played in the top-6 regularly for a year or two. While he hasn't EARNED the right, let's not pretend he doesn't get 5 to 8 minutes less TOI/game than guys like Draisaitl (check game logs).

2) Bottom RHD is not big enough need to take on an overpaid forward.

3) Oilers are mostly happy with the forwards. 3C/3RW are less certain but cheap to fix.
 
There is less than zero chance Filppula would waive his NMC. What player in his right mind would choose a team with questionable playoff hopes and savage winters over a legit cup threat and tropical weather? When he had his choice of 30 teams, he chose Tampa. Now they're a top team. No chance.
 
zar said:
In Filppula the Oilers get one of the worst contracts in the NHL. He has a NMC, which means he has to agree to be moved but then the Oilers MUST protect him in the Expansion Draft... who would you propose the Oilers protect/expose in the Expansion Draft if this trade were to happen. No thanks.
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RNH, Eberle, Lucic, Draisaitl, Pouliot, Maroon, Filppula
Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera
Talbot

Team would lose one of Davidson, Reinhart or Yakupov; which is about the calibre of player that every team is going to lose. Filppula would be a good add if McLellan wants to play Drai in the top 6, but it's highly unlikely he'd waive his NMC.
 
Our GM has just gone out of his way to make us a harder team to play against and now people think we're going to trade Maroon?

Ah... no thanks.
 
If Filppula was only signed for this season, I could see a possible deal without including Maroon. Although, because of the expansion draft, I don't think acquiring a NMC helps the Oilers moving forward.
 
This is going to sound weird, and I never thought I'd say it, but...

I think we should hold on to Sustr if we can. He's becoming pretty decent.
 
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