Proposal: Edmonton-Columbus

[Measles]

Today I've learned that:

Wennberg is already a 1C putting up 80-13-46-59 at 22 years of age.

Draisaitl is NOT a 1C putting up 72-19-32-51 at 20 years of age (at centre, and entirely without McDavid). Also put up 82-29-48-77 at 21 years of age (playing half the season at 2C without McDavid).

Jones is a top-10 D in the entire league.

 

[oilerbear]

I'm just a Flames fan coming in peace and that I thought of a trade that could fit both teams. I'm just curious if anyone would be fine with this package?

Draisaitl and Benning for Wennberg, Savard, and Zaar/Milano.

Columbus gets a elite 1C potential player who has already shown he can be a 1C. Yes his points have been inflated by McDavid, but even in his own rights Draisaitl is a monster that plays a 200 foot every situation game, who would probably fit even better with Saad and Atkinson/Foligno/Bjorkstrand than just McDavid alone. Benning is a promising RHD prospect who has a lot of room to grow. In return Edmonton gets a center who has elite vision and great hockey IQ that is an excellent playmaker, and would fit better with Eberle than RNH and McDavid. They get a big uprgrade on RHD in Savard, giving them a good top 4, while getting a promising winger prospect in return.

To win a conf Championship or A stanley cup.

You need:
1. High danger sh Def sys coach.
Edm: Tmac Yes
CGY:
16-17: Gulutzan Yes
14/15 to 15/16; Harley No

2. A top 10 HD Golaie
EDM: #2 Talbot
CGY:
16-17 #7 Elliott 13-14 to 15-16; he carried them to the 17 playoffs
14/15 to 15/16: #7 Hiller 12-13 to 14/15; he carried them to 15 playoffs.

3. 3+ top 60 HD dmen
EDM:
Larsson top 15
Sekera top 30 facing 2nd comp or lower
Benning top 30
CGY:
16-17:None
Bartkowski worst in league 3 yrs
Hamilton bottom 15
Giordano bottom 30
Brodie Top 90
14/15 to 15/16: 1
Brodie top 30

4. 5+ top 125 G16 & P 40 forwards
EDM: 6
Mcdavid; Draisatl; Maroon; RNH PvP; Lucic PvP; Eberle PvP
CGY:
16-17 4
Manohan; Gaudreau; Backlund PvP; Frolik PvP
15-16
monohan; Gaudreau; Backlund; Coulburne
14/15
hudler; Gaudreau; Monohan
with no offensive depth Hiller carried the team to playoffs.

5. +ve goal diff special teams: Min 1 Min TOI
6.54 G/60 is special team median
EDM:
Caggulia 1.46 PKGA/60
Pouliot 5.38
Pakarinen 5.40
Kassian 5.81

CGY:
Bennett 4.59 PKGA/60
Frolik 5.52
Brower 5.88

EDM:
lucic 9.50 PPGF/60
Mcdavid 9.25
Letestu 8.76
Draisatl 8.08
RNH 7.76
Eberle 6.99
Pouliot 6.75
Caggulia 6.67
Klefbom 8.99
Sekera 7.31

CGY:
16-17
Frolik 8.09 PPGF/60
Backlund 8.08
Tkachuk 7.90
Versteeg 7.24
Gaudreau 7.16
Brower 6.89
Monohan 6.68
Giordano 7.59
Hamilton 7.29
Brodie 6.97

14-15 to 15-16
monohan 7.85
Ferlund 7.40
Gaudreau 7.11
Hudler 6.63
Hamilton 6.90

For your trade request:
1. Benning is a top 30 HD dman who is controllable for 5-8 years.

You have to be crazy to get rid of controllable HD dmen like Benning; Lindholm; Manson; Beaulieu.

top 30 Fwds g 46 and 114P cumulative the last 2 seasons.
20 are ranked with .8 PPG or higher

P. Kane (28) 10.5M (2nd/3rd comp) 1.19 PPG
Mcdavid (19) 3.775M (19)(1st/2nd comp) 1.17 PPG
Crosby (29)8.7M (1st/2nd comp) 1.12 PPG
Malkin (30)(2nd/3rd comp) 1.09 PPG
Kucherov (23) 4.757M bridge
Benn (27) 9.5M (1st/2nd comp)
Schiefle (23) 6.125M
Seguin (24) 5.75M
Panarin (25) 6M bridge
Marchand (28)
Wheeler (30)
Gaudreau (24)
tarasenko
Pavelski
Tavares
Ovechkin
Draisatl (21)
Carter
Pacioretty

those 3 would not get Draisatl liitle adding one of the 30 best HD dmen in the game!

I drive to work every day. listening to 960 in CGy.

They allways say we need a goalie.
Wrong!
Since you are collecting bottom 30 HD dmen.
Love to give you Nurse for Brodie!

Then take Beaulieu of MTL's hands.Since fans want to get rid of him>
Klefbom - Larsson
Sekera- Brodie
Beaulieu- Benning

Please!

 

[Crede777]

Oilers would add to Drai for Werenski? That is some funny ****.
Not as funny as you claiming Jones to be a top 10 defender. If Jones is top 10 then why were Johnson and Savard getting all the tough assignments and ****** zone starts? We are not gonna trade our stud centre for your top pairing defenceman so this whole thread is useless.

While Johnson and Savard were very good and faced probably the toughest matchups through the season, at the end Jones and Werenski were our definitive top pairing. That said, Torts doesn't match pairings or lines. He rolls them. So it went Jones - Werenski, Johnson - Savard, Nutivaara - Murray and then repeat regardless of who the opponent has on the ice.

 

[tempest2i]

I'd much rather keep Draisaitl.

Edmonton should replace Russell on the second pairing with a better RHD, but they would be fools to trade Leon to address that hole in their roster. That's simply bad asset management.

 

[oilerbear]

Today I've learned that:

Wennberg is already a 1C putting up 80-13-46-59 at 22 years of age.

Draisaitl is NOT a 1C putting up 72-19-32-51 at 20 years of age (at centre, and entirely without McDavid). Also put up 82-29-48-77 at 21 years of age (playing half the season at 2C without McDavid).

Jones is a top-10 D in the entire league.

Jones is not in the top 60 HD dmen!
he is bottom 60 with bottom 75 EVGA/60 results.
he is not a cup caliber Dman period.

though he does try to generate Offence like and elite Dman.
Seth jones is #35 Dman in the league 1.01 EVP/60
which makes him
the 346th best skater in league at generating Evn offence.
there are 311 forwards (mid 4th line standard) of offence.

When asking if you want your offensive Dman to abandon free path to the net to chase offence.
burns #1 Off D ranks as a #4 Fwd
Hamilton #2 off D ranks as a#6 Forward
Karlsson and Skeji rank asa #7 Forward
Top 10 rank as a #10 Forward (4th line scoring)
top 20 ranks as a #11 Fwd.
Top 30 ranks as a #11 Fwd
top 60 ranks #12 fwd
top 90 ranks as a #13 Fwd. nort even 4th line standard.

Oh Seth jones Offence is right there with Matt Hendricks.
Such a difference maker!
Dmen's primary role is to defend.
if they are not top 90 Hd dman.
what is the point
Give the puck o the forwards!

 

[McMozesmadness]

Columbus doesn't have the pieces to grab Drai.

Also Benning is awesome, no need to move him.

 

[cslebn]

Well this thread took a turn for the unsavory.

At least Edmonton fans won't ask for Jones ever again since he sucks!

 

[McFlyingV]

Well this thread took a turn for the unsavory.

At least Edmonton fans won't ask for Jones ever again since he sucks!

Unless you're referring solely to Oilerbear, do you really think not being willing to trade the 21 y/o centre with size who just finished 8th in league scoring for Jones means that people are saying that Jones sucks?

 

[Jackets16]

I'm just a Flames fan coming in peace and that I thought of a trade that could fit both teams. I'm just curious if anyone would be fine with this package?

Draisaitl and Benning for Wennberg, Savard, and Zaar/Milano.

Columbus gets a elite 1C potential player who has already shown he can be a 1C. Yes his points have been inflated by McDavid, but even in his own rights Draisaitl is a monster that plays a 200 foot every situation game, who would probably fit even better with Saad and Atkinson/Foligno/Bjorkstrand than just McDavid alone. Benning is a promising RHD prospect who has a lot of room to grow. In return Edmonton gets a center who has elite vision and great hockey IQ that is an excellent playmaker, and would fit better with Eberle than RNH and McDavid. They get a big uprgrade on RHD in Savard, giving them a good top 4, while getting a promising winger prospect in return.

As good as he is, I'd rather have Wennberg and Savard.

 

[cslebn]

Unless you're referring solely to Oilerbear, do you really think not being willing to trade the 21 y/o centre with size who just finished 8th in league scoring for Jones means that people are saying that Jones sucks?

No, I was merely shining to his level.

Really I would never trade Drai if I had him, bite should Edmonton. That said all that cheap that's been flung in this thread has been unwarranted like normal.

Kudos to the op for inciting a flamewar with two fanbases Kroger than his own.

 

[Viqsi]

While I get your sentiment, I think you've gone somewhat hyperbolic on your McDavid analogy. There isn't a 2 player combo on Columbus that would return him in a trade in the real world. A Draisaitl for Werenski/Jones trade at least makes sense in theory from a value perspective, even if it doesn't make sense from a team building perspective.

Fair enough. That said, most folks around here tend to react more readily to outrage triggers than reason anyways.

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Correct.Guys like Draisaitl. You should have paid attention to your own point. You dont ask for a guy like Drai without offering one of your top top players. Like #1 or #2.

I take it you didn't bother to read the fourth paragraph in that post, where I acknowledged that the same was true for Edmonton. I didn't come up with the OP and Oil fans not wanting to move Drai at all makes perfect sense to me.

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Today I've learned that:

Wennberg is already a 1C putting up 80-13-46-59 at 22 years of age.

Draisaitl is NOT a 1C putting up 72-19-32-51 at 20 years of age (at centre, and entirely without McDavid). Also put up 82-29-48-77 at 21 years of age (playing half the season at 2C without McDavid).

Jones is a top-10 D in the entire league.

Item #1 is an absurd strawman. Item #2 is an absurd strawman. Item #3 is factually correct.

 

[Measles]

Fair enough. That said, most folks around here tend to react more readily to outrage triggers than reason anyways.

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I take it you didn't bother to read the fourth paragraph in that post, where I acknowledged that the same was true for Edmonton. I didn't come up with the OP and Oil fans not wanting to move Drai at all makes perfect sense to me.

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Item #1 is an absurd strawman. Item #2 is an absurd strawman. Item #3 is factually correct.

Not a strawman if those things were literally said in this thread by CBJ fans.

Bad trade for CBJ. Gives up a solid #2/3D that can shut teams down plus a low end 1C who still has tons of room to grow.

In return we get a gifted young guy who could likely grow into a 1C and a D prospect that we have at least 4ish better than.

Makes us worse

 

[Chayos]

Oilers would add to Drai for Werenski? That is some funny ****.
Not as funny as you claiming Jones to be a top 10 defender. If Jones is top 10 then why were Johnson and Savard getting all the tough assignments and ****** zone starts? We are not gonna trade our stud centre for your top pairing defenceman so this whole thread is useless.

Drasaitl for Werenski is fair but both teams decline. The oilers because they need the depth Drai gives them to make room for Mcdavid. Their defence is solid if unspectacular, and the gain from Werenski is not enough to make up for the Loss. Columbus is very balanced and while Drai is nice for them, but the step back team wise is to much to. Make this deal.

Both teams lose this deal.

 

[tempest2i]

Drasaitl for Werenski is fair but both teams decline. The oilers because they need the depth Drai gives them to make room for Mcdavid. Their defence is solid if unspectacular, and the gain from Werenski is not enough to make up for the Loss. Columbus is very balanced and while Drai is nice for them, but the step back team wise is to much to. Make this deal.

Both teams lose this deal.

No to mention Werenski shoots left so the Oilers would be left with Werenski, Klefbom, Sekera (NMC), Nurse and G Reinhart (waiver eligible next season) on the left side of the depth chart. And don't get me wrong they'd make room for Werenski, but trading a Forward like Draisaitl for him seems like improving a part of the roster that doesn't need the attention while ignoring some other important areas that need improvement.

 

[zar]

Bad trade for CBJ. Gives up a solid #2/3D that can shut teams down plus a low end 1C who still has tons of room to grow.

In return we get a gifted young guy who could likely grow into a 1C and a D prospect that we have at least 4ish better than.

Makes us worse

So Wennberg is a 1C and Draisaitl isn't? O... K?

Jones wasn't a top pairing all-star when we got him. He was their 3D. And Johnson was older and more proven. I don't think the trade goes through today if both are at where they are now. Jones is 22 and a top 10 D. Drai is good but he's not a top 10 C right now. And Werenski putting up the rookie year he did as a D you add to Drai.

I will name the Cs that I would rank higher than Draisaitl today. Then let's see who is left off the list.

You name me the 9Ds that you feel are better than Jones and we can then see who is left off the list.

I think Jones is not top 10 in the league... he has potential to be but he is not there today.

Centers
Crosby
McDavid
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Malkin
Bergeron
Tavares
Stamkos
Kopitar

Then there are these guys who I would rank on the same level today...
Seguin
Scheifele
Barkov
Matthews
Eichel

Please provide the list of the 9 D that are better than Jones.

 

[tempest2i]

So Wennberg is a 1C and Draisaitl isn't? O... K?



I will name the Cs that I would rank higher than Draisaitl today. Then let's see who is left off the list.

You name me the 9Ds that you feel are better than Jones and we can then see who is left off the list.

I think Jones is not top 10 in the league... he has potential to be but he is not there today.

Centers
Crosby
McDavid
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Malkin
Bergeron
Tavares
Stamkos
Kopitar

Then there are these guys who i would rank on the same level today...
Seguin
Scheifele
Barkov
Matthews
Eichel

*whispering* Draisaitl isn't a C

 

[zar]

*whispering* Draisaitl isn't a C

*whispering back* 75% of his games played over the past 2 years were at C, the last 25% at RW.

 

[TheGhost]

*whispering* Draisaitl isn't a C

He has always played C, aside from a third or so of this season when they put him with McDavid and they clicked incredibly well. TMac still splits them up on occasion (did it most recently on Sunday), and has Draisaitl center his own line.

 

[oilers84]

To clb
Rnh
Oesterle

To edm
Werenski
Thurkauf

 

[TheGhost]

To clb
Rnh
Oesterle

To edm
Werenski
Thurkauf

This is beyond terrible for Columbus....and I'm an Oilers fan

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

To clb
Rnh
Oesterle

To edm
Werenski
Thurkauf

Rnh is a weird way to spell McDavid

 

[tempest2i]

*whispering back* 75% of his games played over the past 2 years were at C, the last 25% at RW.

Half a season at C in '14-15 where he struggled to assert himself and was eventually sent back to junior.

A good season primarily as a C in 15-16 with Hall driving his line.

This season where he has primarily been a winger.

Draisaitl has shown he excels playing with high skill teammates (which is a great skill to have). And I think he can still develop into a full time C. But I would be hesitant to drop Draisaitl into a feature role as a C of his own line next season with some good/decent wingers and just expect that he'll turn that line into world beaters or anything. He has not shown that he is ready for that responsibility yet. He if was ready for that, he would have supplanted Nuge as the 2C. We all know the Oilers could use some extra offense coming from their second line at the moment.

 

[yababy]

Remember the rumored package the Oilers were having to give up to land Subban from montreal?
That kind of package is whats needed for Draisaitl now if he were on the market, but he's not

 

[cbzblaze]

Half a season at C in '14-15 where he struggled to assert himself and was eventually sent back to junior.

A good season primarily as a C in 15-16 with Hall driving his line.

This season where he has primarily been a winger.

Draisaitl has shown he excels playing with high skill teammates (which is a great skill to have). And I think he can still develop into a full time C. But I would be hesitant to drop Draisaitl into a feature role as a C of his own line next season with some good/decent wingers and just expect that he'll turn that line into world beaters or anything. He has not shown that he is ready for that responsibility yet. He if was ready for that, he would have supplanted Nuge as the 2C. We all know the Oilers could use some extra offense coming from their second line at the moment.

I think he's proved that it wasn't all Hall.
Drai is already way better than Nuge, regardless of what line everyone plays on. Coaches use players in different roles.

 

[La Bamba]

Leon isn't being moved unless a guy like Erik Karlsson is coming back.

McDavid/Draisaitl will be the duo the Oilers build around for years and years to come ala Sakic/Forsberg, Crosby/Malkin, Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Toews/Kane