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Bjornar Moxnes

Bjornar Moxnes

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I'm just a Flames fan coming in peace and that I thought of a trade that could fit both teams. I'm just curious if anyone would be fine with this package?

Draisaitl and Benning for Wennberg, Savard, and Zaar/Milano.

Columbus gets a elite 1C potential player who has already shown he can be a 1C. Yes his points have been inflated by McDavid, but even in his own rights Draisaitl is a monster that plays a 200 foot every situation game, who would probably fit even better with Saad and Atkinson/Foligno/Bjorkstrand than just McDavid alone. Benning is a promising RHD prospect who has a lot of room to grow. In return Edmonton gets a center who has elite vision and great hockey IQ that is an excellent playmaker, and would fit better with Eberle than RNH and McDavid. They get a big uprgrade on RHD in Savard, giving them a good top 4, while getting a promising winger prospect in return.
 
RainierBeat said:
I'm just a Flames fan coming in peace and that I thought of a trade that could fit both teams. I'm just curious if anyone would be fine with this package?

Draisaitl and Benning for Wennberg, Savard, and Zaar/Milano.

Columbus gets a elite 1C potential player who has already shown he can be a 1C. Yes his points have been inflated by McDavid, but even in his own rights Draisaitl is a monster that plays a 200 foot every situation game, who would probably fit even better with Saad and Atkinson/Foligno/Bjorkstrand than just McDavid alone. Benning is a promising RHD prospect who has a lot of room to grow. In return Edmonton gets a center who has elite vision and great hockey IQ that is an excellent playmaker, and would fit better with Eberle than RNH and McDavid. They get a big uprgrade on RHD in Savard, giving them a good top 4, while getting a promising winger prospect in return.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say oilers fans are not gonna like this a bit
 
Can understand why Edmonton doesn't want to part with Drai, but this creates holes for Columbus as well. RHD depth takes a huge hit. Many think Wennberg is close to if not a 1C himself.
 
TSA0402 said:
Can understand why Edmonton doesn't want to part with Drai, but this creates holes for Columbus as well. RHD depth takes a huge hit. Many think Wennberg is close to if not a 1C himself.
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Benning is actually a very underrated prospect who had a strong year in a sheltered role. But I can understand why neither sides really want to do it really. Still I think it can benefit both sides in a long run. Draisaitl shouldn't play 2nd fiddle to McDavid, and he'll overshadow other RWers if he stays on McDavid's wing. Wennberg would be a perfect long run 2C for Edmonton, and they can have 2 top lines of elite playmakers and snipers on their wings. Trade RNH for a RWer or defensive high quality 3C. Benning has a positive development curve and Draisaitl instantly becomes one of the Jackets best players.
 
WannabeFinn said:
Would rather trade Murray+ for a guy like Duchene than trade Wennberg+Savard+ for Drai.
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Basically how I see it is:

Drai >> Wennberg
Savard >> Benning, but Benning's potential is stronger, whereas in Drai's case not only is he currently better his ceiling is even better than Wennberg's. Thus another winger goes to Edmonton to make it up.
 
RainierBeat said:
Basically how I see it is:

Drai >> Wennberg
Savard >> Benning, but Benning's potential is stronger, whereas in Drai's case not only is he currently better his ceiling is even better than Wennberg's. Thus another winger goes to Edmonton to make it up.
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I don't think there'd be much argument that the value is in the right ballpark (I'm definitely a fan of Wennberg), but we're not moving Drai. The sky is the limit for him. Already one of the most creative passers in the game, I think there's still room to grow.
 
Roof Daddy said:
I don't think there'd be much argument that the value is in the right ballpark (I'm definitely a fan of Wennberg), but we're not moving Drai. The sky is the limit for him. Already one of the most creative passers in the game, I think there's still room to grow.
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Wennberg is as creative as anyone looking at it from a playmaker standpoint, its the 15 pounds and willingness to shoot that really puts Draisaitl a tier or 2 above Wennberg and why Edmonton wouldnt consider this
 
Generally speaking, the response for any deal involving us losing Savard is going to be "no"; he's a bit too important and we don't have a good replacement. Benning sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if he'd be ready to take on that role in full immediately. I'd rather not open up that hole as part of upgrading at #1C. (If that means no upgrade, that's fine by me.)

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83to48 said:
Either CBJ gives us Jones/Werenski for Drai or we laugh and hang up.
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Oh, c'mon. If you're going to go to the trouble and be that belligerent, shortsighted, homeristic, and overall just plain mean-spirited and nasty about it, go all the way and demand both of them for RNH+Eberle or something. That way we can reply with Murray+PLD for McDavid and everyone can go home angry.
 
Viqsi said:
Generally speaking, the response for any deal involving us losing Savard is going to be "no"; he's a bit too important and we don't have a good replacement. Benning sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if he'd be ready to take on that role in full immediately. I'd rather not open up that hole as part of upgrading at #1C. (If that means no upgrade, that's fine by me.)

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Oh, c'mon. If you're going to go to the trouble and be that belligerent, shortsighted, homeristic, and overall just plain mean-spirited and nasty about it, go all the way and demand both of them for RNH+Eberle or something. That way we can reply with Murray+PLD for McDavid and everyone can go home angry.
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Im trying to figure out how you could possibly think Draisaitl isnt worth Jones or Werenski.

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Neatman said:
Im trying to figure out how you could possibly think Draisaitl isnt worth Jones or Werenski.

You are aware your team has been eliminated from the playoffs, correct? Maybe your players are not as good as you think they are.
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That is such a stupid comment. Maybe the defending champs are really good at hockey and were the better team. Id feel pretty comfortable saying they are much better then San Jose/Anaheim/Edmonton too
 
Neatman said:
Im trying to figure out how you could possibly think Draisaitl isnt worth Jones or Werenski.

You are aware your team has been eliminated from the playoffs, correct? Maybe your players are not as good as you think they are.
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First comment I agree with you on. Second comment was just unnecessary.
 
I don't know if Draisaitl is worth Jones/Werenski, but I know for sure that he's a lot closer to those guys than to guys like Wennberg and Savard, although I like both of them.

Regardless it's a moot point because Chiarelli worships at the altar of Leon. He isn't being moved.
 
This proposal is horrendous. Drai is worth wayyy more than that. He is one of the most promising young forwards in the league who has proven he can produce. If the Oilers were to trade him it would be for a young D with #1 potential (Werenski, Provorov, Sergachev, Etc) and then add from there.
 
oXo Cube said:
I don't know if Draisaitl is worth Jones/Werenski, but I know for sure that he's a lot closer to those guys than to guys like Wennberg and Savard, although I like both of them.

Regardless it's a moot point because Chiarelli worships at the altar of Leon. He isn't being moved.
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I'd argue losing Drai and Benning for a highend 2C and a great #4 RHD, and a potential top 6 winger will benefit the Oilers more than just Jones, and especially more than just Werenski. In return Columbus also becomes happy without losing any core players (Except Wennberg, but you upgrade on him).
 
Neatman said:
Im trying to figure out how you could possibly think Draisaitl isnt worth Jones or Werenski.
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That should have been your first clue that I didn't say anything of the sort.

There's some players that you just don't ask about unless you want to start a flamewar. That was my point. That poster was being unnecessarily hostile, and I opted to just throw it right back. The alternative, of course, was to say "You don't get those guys unless we're talking about McDavid", but then we end up in a perpetual oneupsmanship game that never ends.

Draisaitl's in that neighborhood, but Jones and Werenski simply aren't available, full stop. Moving them would require that we completely overhaul our team building strategy, because the whole basis of our team right now depends on having the blueline as a major strength. As good as Draisaitl is, he's not a guy you build a team concept around. (At least, not yet.)

EDIT: And yes, I'm aware that that's also true for Edmonton w/r/t the whole "we have two killer badass centers that can destroy you" approach. I just keep thinking higher of RNH than is probably justifiable and so I don't always notice whenever a Drai proposal comes up. ;)
 
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Bad trade for CBJ. Gives up a solid #2/3D that can shut teams down plus a low end 1C who still has tons of room to grow.

In return we get a gifted young guy who could likely grow into a 1C and a D prospect that we have at least 4ish better than.

Makes us worse
 
Viqsi said:
That should have been your first clue that I didn't say anything of the sort.

There's some players that you just don't ask about unless you want to start a flamewar. That was my point. That poster was being unnecessarily hostile, and I opted to just throw it right back. The alternative, of course, was to say "You don't get those guys unless we're talking about McDavid", but then we end up in a perpetual oneupsmanship game that never ends.

Draisaitl's in that neighborhood, but Jones and Werenski simply aren't available, full stop. Moving them would require that we completely overhaul our team building strategy, because the whole basis of our team right now depends on having the blueline as a major strength. As good as Draisaitl is, he's not a guy you build a team concept around. (At least, not yet.)

EDIT: And yes, I'm aware that that's also true for Edmonton w/r/t the whole "we have two killer badass centers that can destroy you" approach. I just keep thinking higher of RNH than is probably justifiable and so I don't always notice whenever a Drai proposal comes up. ;)
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While I get your sentiment, I think you've gone somewhat hyperbolic on your McDavid analogy. There isn't a 2 player combo on Columbus that would return him in a trade in the real world. A Draisaitl for Werenski/Jones trade at least makes sense in theory from a value perspective, even if it doesn't make sense from a team building perspective.
 
mikeyp24 said:
Bad trade for CBJ. Gives up a solid #2/3D that can shut teams down plus a low end 1C who still has tons of room to grow.

In return we get a gifted young guy who could likely grow into a 1C and a D prospect that we have at least 4ish better than.

Makes us worse
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I find the bolded rather odd. Draisaitl is already a significantly better player than Wennberg.
 
LD has come into his own during these playoffs. He was a top ten scorer and is what every team wants as a number one centre. EDM is gaining so much from these playoffs. I can still see ANA king this round as they have shown the holes we have in our team.
EDM needs
Big 3C that can win face offs
Right shot dman to replace Russel
One top6 rw
 
RainierBeat said:
Basically how I see it is:

Drai >> Wennberg
Savard >> Benning, but Benning's potential is stronger, whereas in Drai's case not only is he currently better his ceiling is even better than Wennberg's. Thus another winger goes to Edmonton to make it up.
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Uhhh...

benning has killed it on the bottom pairing this year and has very good upside. The difference between the 2 this yera alone is not all that much. Long term ill take Benning

Wouldnt even make this trade if PLD was included
 
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