Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Hm. I could see that working. Sets up the blueline pairings ultimately as Werenski-Jones, Murray-JJ, Nutivaara-Fayne. Would also be nice to have a bit more experience on the back end other than JJ.
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Hm. I could see that working. Sets up the blueline pairings ultimately as Werenski-Jones, Murray-JJ, Nutivaara-Fayne. Would also be nice to have a bit more experience on the back end other than JJ.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
This would indeed be a large part of why I've been pretty blasé w/r/t any potential RNH acquisition previously. But given the present situation at C, it might be a useful change of pace - and one certainly can't argue with their relative ages.
You might be right, but I'm not sure about that. Not that you couldn't do better, but Savard is good in the offensive zone, particularly at lateral mobility and wristing the puck through traffic. His PP P/60 from 13/14-14/15 was 4.55, a bit higher than Sekera, who has been the leading Oilers D on the PP. Don't ask me about what happened to Savard's PP production last year - he played through an ankle injury, might have been that.
If you're asking, "if Savard is so good in the offensive zone, and so good in the defensive zone, then why is he available?" Well he's not good at getting from one end to the other. His straight line skating and outlet passing are not pretty.
Xoggz22
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Columbus has played all of two games, management just received an extension, we are paying two coaches now and Jenner is part of the core. Yes there Are holes but to jump after two games would be awfully dumb.
Don't see any significant changes in Columbus short term.
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ManofSteel55
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Then we probably shouldn't want him. We've had outlet passing issues for years, its only Klefbom and now Russell (kind of) who are helping us show improvement.
I think that's legit. (Although I'm skeptical about Russell's outlet passing).
As much as I'd like to say Savard should be worth more (How many d-men are capable of 1) shutdown D, 2) racking up good points on the point (Savard could hit 40 pts easily), 3) strong enough to throw 200lb guys?), outlet passing is reeaaally important.
What the Oilers would get with Savard is someone who can simultaneously outplay Gryba defensively and be the top RHD on the PP. The rest I'm not sure of.
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ManofSteel55
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Russell has had good outlet passing so far. But its only a handful of games, I wasn't overly impressed with that aspect of his game the past few years in Calgary. I don't expect it to be good all season.
oStealthKiller*
Master Monkey Herder
Although it delights me to see Jackets fans accept a Dubinsky/Savard for RNH/Fayne swap, I highly doubt Columbus actually entertains that.
Based on the types of moves we've seen over the last year, I think the more realistic deal is Dubinsky + a pick for RNH + a pick- say, Dub and 2nd '17 for RNH and 3rd '17. It's a much lower price than I think most Oiler fans would want to see, but it's reasonable given the respective contracts and production of the players involved.
Having said that, I'd probably still do it. Dubinsky is a better fit for the team we're trying to build in Edmonton, as it does no one any good to shoe-horn Nugent-Hopkins into a third line checking role. Dubinsky can not only fulfill that duty but also move over to the wing when needed:
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-Dubinsky-Slepyshev
Pitlick-Letestu-Kassian
Lander
Hendricks (IR), Pakarinen (IR)
Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell
Nurse-Gryba
Benning
Fayne (IR), Davidson (IR)
Talbot
Gustavsson
For the Jackets it's a nice injection of skill and pedigree down the middle, with limited risk save that RNH never progresses beyond being a 50ish point guy. Again, most Oilers fans would probably hate it, but it would help the team more than I think it would hurt.
Based on the types of moves we've seen over the last year, I think the more realistic deal is Dubinsky + a pick for RNH + a pick- say, Dub and 2nd '17 for RNH and 3rd '17. It's a much lower price than I think most Oiler fans would want to see, but it's reasonable given the respective contracts and production of the players involved.
Having said that, I'd probably still do it. Dubinsky is a better fit for the team we're trying to build in Edmonton, as it does no one any good to shoe-horn Nugent-Hopkins into a third line checking role. Dubinsky can not only fulfill that duty but also move over to the wing when needed:
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-Dubinsky-Slepyshev
Pitlick-Letestu-Kassian
Lander
Hendricks (IR), Pakarinen (IR)
Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell
Nurse-Gryba
Benning
Fayne (IR), Davidson (IR)
Talbot
Gustavsson
For the Jackets it's a nice injection of skill and pedigree down the middle, with limited risk save that RNH never progresses beyond being a 50ish point guy. Again, most Oilers fans would probably hate it, but it would help the team more than I think it would hurt.
IMO you're severely underrating RNH and overrating Dubinsky.
How years does Dubinsky have left before he drops off? I think 3 MAX before his contract gets really ugly.
RNH will AT LEAST maintain, which is pretty good, if not get better.
I'd much rather keep RNH and adding Savard does not even this deal out.
Thanks for being more reasonable than Jackets fans.
Savard had a good game tonight with a nice shot-pass goal. You'll probably get a lot of take-backs on the offer. I would want one.
Anyways, I will say that the risk that RNH never progresses beyond 50 pts and the risk that Dubi declines well below that in the last couple years of his deal, are not balanced risks. The Jackets would have to throw in to equalize it. Shouldn't be too hard.
If Oilers are able to heal up without anyone getting injured in the mean time:
Slepyshev
Yakimov
Fayne
FOR
Campbell
Atkinson
Savard
Slepyshev
Yakimov
Fayne
FOR
Campbell
Atkinson
Savard
I count two decent prospects and a dump for a dump and two established top 6F / top 4D contributors. Not close.
I agree about Jenner, absolutely. And I like this deal for Dubinsky. I think it makes sense for Edmonton in a certain way, because you got a good veteran player who's good defensively, adds the physical element, etc., on the other hand, it's a question what plans do they have with Draisaitl and eventual trade with RNH/Drai for a defenseman. Giving up RNH for Dubinsky would mean they would count on Draisaitl into the future imo - which would mean they wouldn't consider getting another D into the team, which I'm not that sure about just yet. Wasn't there a rumor about the Oilers being interested in E.Johnson or Barrie back before the season? Or was that just a HF proposal
Anyway, I think they may still want rather a good D in return, than a good, solid defensive center that could play behind McDavid. I don't think they would be interested in this. And to top it off, I don't even think Tortorella would like to give up Dubinsky.
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zar
Bleed Blue
Draisaitl is our future 2C, if he isn't already fulfilling that role right now... I see Drai and RNH as 2/2b. We are going to have to pay Drai this off-season ($5.5-6?AAV? depending on his season)... obviously hoping for a 55-60 point season from him.
We can't afford Dubinsky as our 3C with a $5.85AAV for this and the next 4 seasons. We would be much better served to hope that Burns goes to FA, hope McLellan has a good relationship with him and we go all in for him. I know... a lot of wishful thinking.
For the record I think Dubinsky and Savard are very useful players but I just don't see the fit.
We can't afford Dubinsky as our 3C with a $5.85AAV for this and the next 4 seasons. We would be much better served to hope that Burns goes to FA, hope McLellan has a good relationship with him and we go all in for him. I know... a lot of wishful thinking.
For the record I think Dubinsky and Savard are very useful players but I just don't see the fit.
I mean to be fair the only real difference between them is age. Dubi can put up 50 and is a better defensive guy while RNH might be able to score a little more. Contract is similar so really it's age.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Honestly, I'd say "don't bother with sending us a 3rd" and hope/presume that that's good enough.
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Um. Not a snowball's chance in hell. That'd be like us offering Milano, Nutivaara, and Clarkson for Eberle, Sekera @50%, and Letestu. Seriously overrating the degree to which cap space balances trade value.
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That and RNH is more of a distributor type than Dubi; that's most of why I'd be contemplating this. (Well, that and the age thing, too.
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Honestly, I would strongly consider doing this. It would suck giving up Jenner, but this move would resolidify our center depth without having to lose one of our core players in the expansion draft. Would Edmonton consider a deal around Jenner+cap dump (Prout?) for RNH and a pick?
Saad-Wennberg-Foligno
Hartnell-RNH-Atkinson
Calvert-Dubinsky-Anderson
Sedlak-Karlsson-Bjorkstrand not too shabby of a forward group
Like Viqsi said, I would be content with this deal even if Edmonton took out their pick
Dubinsky only make $150,000 less then RNH, there is no way I would do the deal as you proposed
PuckG
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He's an Oiler fan with something against RNH. A slow start doesn't make RNH worth little pieces. RNH is not a player you trade, especially with Hall already gone.
