Proposal: EDM-WPG

[Snowman]

I’ve come to see I misread the jets’ current state of affairs so this is all completely understandable.

Is bourg+unprotected first a good start? Without Barrie I would be far less inclined to include the second conditional first though. I love Barrie but I understand other teams may view him as a luxury so some of the value was included with conditional pick.

For me it's not. But I'm in the "I'm not moving Helly, unless someone gives me one Helly (see what I did there. ) of a reason to do so" camp. Other jet fans may not agree.

 

[Hunter368]

Nothing official. Just heresay.

My comment is not aimed at you.......but heresay is worthless.

 

[Geardedandbearded]

For me it's not. But I'm in the "I'm not moving Helly, unless someone gives me one Helly (see what I did there. ) of a reason to do so" camp. Other jet fans may not agree.

You’re preaching to the choir here! Lol goalies like helle don’t come around very often

 

[TFHockey]

I appreciate the OP trying to get something to Edmonton that they need. I also see a few Jets fans discussing what their team needs in return but in a pretty respectful manner.

The Oilers can move Barrie to the Jets as a RHD but Bouchard is pretty much off the table. Long term he will be the top pairing RHD the Oilers will lean on for the next 10 years or so. I can see a top prospect (at least, a top prospect in the Oilers organization) going the other way like Bourgault. Holloway is probably a guy the team sees as so close to NHL ready they'd want to keep him for the immediate future.

It is assumed by local media that Holland will keep Holloway and Skinner in the AHL for their playoff run and when that is over bring them both up to the big club for the NHL playoff run. They are both doing extremely well there.

A 1st can go to Winnipeg but I think it is unrealistic to think it would be unprotected. Nobody moves those these days. Expect top 10 protection attached to it. Pretty standard stuff.

 

[Hobnobs]

I appreciate the OP trying to get something to Edmonton that they need. I also see a few Jets fans discussing what their team needs in return but in a pretty respectful manner.

The Oilers can move Barrie to the Jets as a RHD but Bouchard is pretty much off the table. Long term he will be the top pairing RHD the Oilers will lean on for the next 10 years or so. I can see a top prospect (at least, a top prospect in the Oilers organization) going the other way like Bourgault. Holloway is probably a guy the team sees as so close to NHL ready they'd want to keep him for the immediate future.

It is assumed by local media that Holland will keep Holloway and Skinner in the AHL for their playoff run and when that is over bring them both up to the big club for the NHL playoff run. They are both doing extremely well there.

A 1st can go to Winnipeg but I think it is unrealistic to think it would be unprotected. Nobody moves those these days. Expect top 10 protection attached to it. Pretty standard stuff.

I don't think top-10 protected is fair for a goalie like Helle. Top-5 protected more likely. It's shallower draft.

 

[Atoyot]

Would be Konovalov over Skinner .. but you have Holm and Berdin in the system .. not sure if you need a young Goalie, but one capable not splitting with Comrie

Holm has shown zero promise. Berdin has shown promise in limited bursts.

 

[Petes2424]

This deal would take place in the off-season and is proposed with the idea Winnipeg is doing a rebuild(this may be a misconception).

Jets:
Broberg
Edm first 2022
Lavoie
Conditional Edmonton first 2023(first if Edmonton makes conference finals, second in 2024 if not conference finals)
Barrie

Oilers:
Hellebuyck

Jets don’t do it. In their situation, they have a first rate goaltender under contract to play in Winnipeg. If they moved him, you’re searching for his replacement for the next few years.

 

[Fourier]

The Jets aren't trading Hellebuyck, but if they were you would need at least one blue chip prospect that the Jets need to go along with your unprotected first.

Winnipeg also would be taking back any cap dumps, Barrie, Kassian, etc.

Is Barrie a cap dump though? Offensive RHD's always carry a premium. Barrie is 28th in the league for points by a defenseman this year after leading the league last year. Combining the two he is in the top 10. And he is still a plus player at ES so while his defense is never going to be a strength his weakness in that area is often over stated.

If you look at the 35 defensemen with 30-45 points this year Barrie is the 23rd highest paid. Take out RFA's and the only guy in this group who scored more but makes less is Deangelo.

For what he brings to the table Barrie is probably slightly underpaid. If he had his offensive ability and was better than average defensively he'd be in the $6.5-7.5M range rather than $4.5M.

 

[Hunter368]

Is Barrie a cap dump though? Offensive RHD's always carry a premium. Barrie is 28th in the league for points by a defenseman this year after leading the league last year. Combining the two he is in the top 10. And he is still a plus player at ES so while his defense is never going to be a strength his weakness in that area is often over stated.

If you look at the 35 defensemen with 30-45 points this year Barrie is the 23rd highest paid. Take out RFA's and the only guy in this group who scored more but makes less is Deangelo.

For what he brings to the table Barrie is probably slightly underpaid. If he had his offensive ability and was better than average defensively he'd be in the $6.5-7.5M range rather than $4.5M.

Barrie fills no need, not going to say he's a cap dump but he fills no need on the Jets and he just adds to the Jets issues on D (another offensive minded D). By filling no need, he adds no value, especially if he can't be traded. If he can be traded then Oilers just trade him for cap space, so don't include him in the trade.

 

[Snowman]

Is Barrie a cap dump though? Offensive RHD's always carry a premium. Barrie is 28th in the league for points by a defenseman this year after leading the league last year. Combining the two he is in the top 10. And he is still a plus player at ES so while his defense is never going to be a strength his weakness in that area is often over stated.

If you look at the 35 defensemen with 30-45 points this year Barrie is the 23rd highest paid. Take out RFA's and the only guy in this group who scored more but makes less is Deangelo.

For what he brings to the table Barrie is probably slightly underpaid. If he had his offensive ability and was better than average defensively he'd be in the $6.5-7.5M range rather than $4.5M.

As others have said, he fills no need for the Jets, so you can just hang onto him. It sounds like you're pretty happy with him.

 

[TFHockey]

As others have said, he fills no need for the Jets, so you can just hang onto him. It sounds like you're pretty happy with him.

Barrie fills no need, not going to say he's a cap dump but he fills no need on the Jets and he just adds to the Jets issues on D (another offensive minded D). By filling no need, he adds no value, especially if he can't be traded. If he can be traded then Oilers just trade him for cap space, so don't include him in the trade.

That is fair. If Barrie isn't a need for Winnipeg (which is fair, the Jets have a mid pack PP) then he shouldn't be in the deal. There are other teams who could use an offensively skilled RHD.

 

[Fourier]

Barrie fills no need, not going to say he's a cap dump but he fills no need on the Jets and he just adds to the Jets issues on D (another offensive minded D). By filling no need, he adds no value, especially if he can't be traded. If he can be traded then Oilers just trade him for cap space, so don't include him in the trade.

That's absolutely fair. Honestly, I am not sure why Winnipeg does this deal. I don't think it would be a good deal for Edmonton either in terms of value but at least it fits from the perspective of need for the Oilers.

 

[Fourier]

As others have said, he fills no need for the Jets, so you can just hang onto him. It sounds like you're pretty happy with him.

Again, I have no issue if the Jets don't want Barrie. The Oilers my have to move him elsewhere for cap purposes because of other needs, but he is not really a cap dump.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

No, sorry not a shot at Broberg, that's why I added "that the Jets need". Broberg as an LD isn't needed and therefore wouldn't be anything that the Jets would be looking for in return.

2 yrs to UFA that's a big no from the oilers.

 

[MardyBum]

What direction do you see the jets taking for the next 2-3 years?

They're going to get a (hopefully better) coach, and try to win for the next two years. Then there will be a rebuild or a tear down.

Faceplanting in year 1 of 3 isn't going to make them give up on possible playoff revenue in year 2 and 3.

 

[Heldig]

Gotta sign Dubois priority 1
Hire all new coaching staff priority #2
Then figure out what to do with Scheifele #3

Then deal with Hellebucyk. Is he on board for a quick rebuild or?

 

[GOilers88]

2 yrs to UFA that's a big no from the oilers.

2 years of a vezina calibre goalie should be worth a ton to the Oilers.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Another largest return for a goalie ever thread, fantasy trade thats not going to happen or be close.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If the Oilers get Helle for a fair price they are gonna be nasty to play against.

 

[t0nedeff]

2 years of a vezina calibre goalie should be worth a ton to the Oilers.

Big risk imo. When was the last time a goalie returned a prospect like Broberg on top of a first? Schneider returned 9th overall after putting up some pretty godly numbers in Vancouver.

 

[GOilers88]

Big risk imo. When was the last time a goalie returned a prospect like Broberg on top of a first? Schneider returned 9th overall after putting up some pretty godly numbers in Vancouver.

Yeah its a risk, but our fanbase has been hollering for a legit starter for almost three seasons now. Hellebuyck is a legit vezina calibre goaltender. 2 runs with him could be absolutely massive.

Either we wait around for the perfect young, proven, stud #1 with a ton of term (which isn't out there), or we deal some assets for one in his prime and signed for a couple more seasons then hope to extend him.

I dunno, I'd love to add him. Only having 2 years left doesn't scare me at all. Its better than running Skinner/Koskinen or Skinner/Some other unproven goalie for the next two seasons. I also think its a better option than Gibson and his huge caphit for 5 more years because if he doesn't regain form you're stuck with the contract.

I think our board (not you in specific) has spent a lot of time bitching about our goalie situation but is also entirely too picky and attached to prospects when one comes up in discussions because either the term isn't good enough, they're too unproven, or they aren't any better than what we have. Its like we're only willing to make a move for the perfect fit (proven stud, lots of term, good caphit) which is nothing but a fantasy.

Just my opinion. Its mostly based on my gut feeling that neither McDavid or Draisaitl re-sign in Edmonton even if we do win a cup, so I see the window as the next 3/4 years. If we had a guy like Hellebuyck for at least half of that I think it's a win. We still need to shore up the defense, but a stud goalie helps with that too.

 

[McShogun99]

For Helly I'd offer the Jets choice of Holloway, Broberg or Bourgault, Skinner and the 2022 1st. Doubt the Jets take that unless they're planning on rebuilding.