Proposal: EDM-WPG

[Geardedandbearded]

This deal would take place in the off-season and is proposed with the idea Winnipeg is doing a rebuild(this may be a misconception).

Jets:
Broberg
Edm first 2022
Lavoie
Conditional Edmonton first 2023(first if Edmonton makes conference finals, second in 2024 if not conference finals)
Barrie

Oilers:
Hellebuyck

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[WhereAreTheCookies]

Can't see the Jets trading Helle for a package that doesn't include a young goalie prospect coming back. I'd imagine you'd need to replace Lavoie with Skinner.

 

[IIxGURUxII]

Can't see the Jets trading Helle for a package that doesn't include a young goalie prospect coming back. I'd imagine you'd need to replace Lavoie with Skinner.

Would be Konovalov over Skinner .. but you have Holm and Berdin in the system .. not sure if you need a young Goalie, but one capable not splitting with Comrie

 

[Snowman]

The Jets aren't trading Hellebuyck, but if they were you would need at least one blue chip prospect that the Jets need to go along with your unprotected first.

Winnipeg also would be taking back any cap dumps, Barrie, Kassian, etc.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The Jets aren't trading Hellebuyck, but if they were you would need at least one blue chip prospect that the Jets need to go along with your unprotected first.

Winnipeg also would be taking back any cap dumps, Barrie, Kassian, etc.

Is this a shot at Broberg, or did you miss him?

 

[Snowman]

Is this a shot at Broberg, or did you miss him?

No, sorry not a shot at Broberg, that's why I added "that the Jets need". Broberg as an LD isn't needed and therefore wouldn't be anything that the Jets would be looking for in return.

 

[SUX2BU]

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[Geardedandbearded]

Can't see the Jets trading Helle for a package that doesn't include a young goalie prospect coming back. I'd imagine you'd need to replace Lavoie with Skinner.

That would be tough but workable. Holland signed smith for two years so good chance he’s the backup for next year

 

[Geardedandbearded]

The Jets aren't trading Hellebuyck, but if they were you would need at least one blue chip prospect that the Jets need to go along with your unprotected first.

Winnipeg also would be taking back any cap dumps, Barrie, Kassian, etc.

If you’re going for a rebuild wouldnt it be better to get the most value regardless of position? Still, I understand. I don’t see the oilers moving Holloway or Bouchard because their low cap hits are needed next year. For blue chips that leaves Bourg. It would be tough but I may do it. What are jets needs?

And Barrie is not a cap dump. He is included for cap purposes but he is no kassian or Neal. Barrie is actually one of my favourite players and it would be super tough for me to lose him, but Kane,pulju,yam need extensions and goalie money needs to come from somewhere.

 

[Geardedandbearded]

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What direction do you see the jets taking for the next 2-3 years?

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not a bad package from Edmonton, but probably not one that Winnipeg would want for Hellebuck.

If we're going after goalies like Helle, we'd probably be better off throwing a package together for John Gibson, assuming he's desperate enough to get out of Anaheim that he'd take a trade to Edmonton.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Value seems fair. As Jets posters mentioned they are deep on LD. Would probably have to subtract Broberg and add one of Holloway or Bourgault.

I personally wouldn’t want to move Holloway unless Winnipeg is willing to eat that Kassian contract.

 

[Hunter368]

If you’re going for a rebuild wouldnt it be better to get the most value regardless of position? Still I understand. I don’t see the oilers moving Holloway or Bouchard because their low cap hits are needed next year. For blue chips that leaves Bourg. It would be tough but I may do it. What are jets needs?

And Barrie is not a cap dump. He is included for cap purposes but he is no kassian or Neal.

Jets aren't rebuilding, far too much talent on the team. Restructuring sure, Mark and/or Helle potentially. Mark needs a change, Helle has complained about Canada's COVID restrictions so that may or may not of changed now. Jets biggest need is a coaching staff change. Huddy has been the D core coach for 11 years and I've complained about him from day one. Lowry & PMO both provide(d) bad coaching all year, Lowry is not a NHL coach by any measure.

LHD is not a need overall. If Helle & Mark were traded Jets need a young top six center prospect back & a good young prospect goalie or a 1B type of goalie. Barrie offers the Jets nothing, he just adds to the Jets problems on D.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Value seems fair. As Jets posters mentioned they are deep on LD. Would probably have to subtract Broberg and one Holloway or Bourgault.

Probably not happening. Holloway and Bourgault are guys that are both near NHL ready, and can plug into a spot as a sniper with our superstars to help us offset losing our only true scoring winger (Kane) this summer. With our cap situation, we need both of those guys and their ELC's.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Probably not happening. Holloway and Bourgault are guys that are both near NHL ready, and can plug into a spot as a sniper with our superstars to help us offset losing our only true scoring winger (Kane) this summer. With our cap situation, we need both of those guys and their ELC's.

Moving Holloway wouldn’t be as crippling a cap move if they take Kassian. We than shop Foegele for a pick and the option to keep Kane would be doable.

 

[Geardedandbearded]

Jets aren't rebuilding, far too much talent on the team. Restructuring sure, Mark and/or Helle potentially. Mark needs a change, Helle has complained about Canada's COVID restrictions so that may or may not of changed now. Jets biggest need is a coaching staff change. Huddy has been the D core coach for 11 years and I've complained about him from day one. Lowry & PMO both provide(d) bad coaching all year, Lowry is not a NHL coach by any measure.

LHD is not a need overall. If Helle & Mark were traded Jets need a young top six center prospect back & a good young prospect goalie or a 1B type of goalie. Barrie offers the Jets nothing, he just adds to the Jets problems on D.

Coaching can definitely sewer a good team. I personally thought they were headed in the direction of trading scheifle, pld, helle, and wheeler this off-season and going hard in the 2023/2024 drafts with 2025 being the goal to aim for the playoffs again. Getting 4+ first rounders and other good prospects would make this a quick turn around. I feel this jets group has passed there best chances to win. Do you think this group(more or less) can win a cup in the next few years with minor tweaks?

That was the lens I was viewing this trade through. Ie, for the next two years money won’t matter and the team in 2025 will be drastically different so getting the most value is more important. I’m seeing this is incorrect and edm/wpg are probably not good trade partners

 

[ManofSteel55]

Moving Holloway wouldn’t be as crippling a cap move if they take Kassian. We than shop Foegele for a pick and the option to keep Kane would be doable.

I think to keep Kane, Yamamoto and Pulujarvi, and upgrade in net, we need to count on Kassian and Barrie out the door as well as quality guys on ELC's taking other forward spots. I'd prefer to not trade Foegle if we can help it, but if we have to, I'd prefer that we trade him with a Barrie replacement. And to anyone thinking "how about Bear", no, I'd like more of a stay at home option at 3RD if possible.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Coaching can definitely sewer a good team. I personally thought they were headed in the direction of trading scheifle, pld, helle, and wheeler this off-season and going hard in the 2023/2024 drafts with 2025 being the goal to aim for the playoffs again. Getting 4+ first rounders and other good prospects would make this a quick turn around. I feel this jets group has passed there best chances to win. Do you think this group(more or less) can win a cup in the next few years with minor tweaks?

That was the lens I was viewing this trade through. Ie, for the next two years money won’t matter and the team in 2025 will be drastically different so getting the most value is more important. I’m seeing this is incorrect and edm/wpg are probably not good trade partners

If I was running the Jets, there's no way I'd dump Helle and both of their top six C's unless there were some major personality issues going on. And moving Wheeler is going to be so hard. That cap hit is just so high.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No, sorry not a shot at Broberg, that's why I added "that the Jets need". Broberg as an LD isn't needed and therefore wouldn't be anything that the Jets would be looking for in return.

Fair enough. I'd probably be willing to swap Broberg for Bourgault if he's of more interest, but I don't think I'd consider Holloway.

 

[Hunter368]

Coaching can definitely sewer a good team. I personally thought they were headed in the direction of trading scheifle, pld, helle, and wheeler this off-season and going hard in the 2023/2024 drafts with 2025 being the goal to aim for the playoffs again. Getting 4+ first rounders and other good prospects would make this a quick turn around. I feel this jets group has passed there best chances to win. Do you think this group(more or less) can win a cup in the next few years with minor tweaks?

That was the lens I was viewing this trade through. Ie, for the next two years money won’t matter and the team in 2025 will be drastically different so getting the most value is more important. I’m seeing this is incorrect and edm/wpg are probably not good trade partners

No, that would never happen this summer, zero chance.

But like I said I can see a one summer restructure with 1-2 core pieces, those would be potentially Mark & Helle. Blake isn't going anywhere this summer, rest of the core is fine. If I was a betting man, this summer we could see:

- Dillon traded, Jets have multi prospects NHL ready on LHD. Plus they have Stanley to add to the log jam on LHD, so Dillon I think will be traded to create cap & return picks/prospects.

- Mark and/or Helle traded. Mark is still the PPG 1C he always has been, but he needs a change of scenery IMO. Mark is also on a great contract for two more years. Helle has been fairly vocal about Canada's restrictions regarding COVID, as well as Manitoba's restrictions.........not sure if he has lightened up about that now that restrictions are much looser.

- PLD will be signed long term this summer, 5-5+ years and will be a very rich young man. If Mark is traded he is the new 1C.

- Jets needs are new coaching staff, better bottom six depth and whatever Mark/Helle return (top 6 center prospect & 1B goalie).

 

[Snowman]

If you’re going for a rebuild wouldnt it be better to get the most value regardless of position? Still, I understand. I don’t see the oilers moving Holloway or Bouchard because their low cap hits are needed next year. For blue chips that leaves Bourg. It would be tough but I may do it. What are jets needs?

And Barrie is not a cap dump. He is included for cap purposes but he is no kassian or Neal. Barrie is actually one of my favourite players and it would be super tough for me to lose him, but Kane,pulju,yam need extensions and goalie money needs to come from somewhere.

I doubt it would be a full rebuild. The Jets have a good, young core which includes Helly. It will likely be a retool where some vets are moved and some coaching changes are made. So, there is probably almost no chance that any of the Jets young core moves. Barring a stupid overpay.

The Jets needs are right shot top 6 forwards and top pairing or top pairing potential RHD.

There is some merit to taking the best offer available if you are being forced to move a player, but when you have no intention of moving said player, you can afford to wait for what you want or for a team to make an offer you can refuse. Which this isn't.

You may very well like Barrie, but for the Jets he's a waste of cap space as he isn't better than any of the Jets current RHD, so he has no place on the roster.

 

[Geardedandbearded]

I doubt it would be a full rebuild. The Jets have a good, young core which includes Helly. It will likely be a retool where some vets are moved and some coaching changes are made. So, there is probably almost no chance that any of the Jets young core moves. Barring a stupid overpay.

The Jets needs are right shot top 6 forwards and top pairing or top pairing potential RHD.

There is some merit to taking the best offer available if you are being forced to move a player, but when you have no intention of moving said player, you can afford to wait for what you want or for a team to make an offer you can refuse. Which this isn't.

You may very well like Barrie, but for the Jets he's a waste of cap space as he isn't better than any of the Jets current RHD, so he has no place on the roster.

I’ve come to see I misread the jets’ current state of affairs so this is all completely understandable.

Is bourg+unprotected first a good start? Without Barrie I would be far less inclined to include the second conditional first though. I love Barrie but I understand other teams may view him as a luxury so some of the value was included with conditional pick.

 

[Huffer]

Coaching can definitely sewer a good team. I personally thought they were headed in the direction of trading scheifle, pld, helle, and wheeler this off-season and going hard in the 2023/2024 drafts with 2025 being the goal to aim for the playoffs again. Getting 4+ first rounders and other good prospects would make this a quick turn around. I feel this jets group has passed there best chances to win. Do you think this group(more or less) can win a cup in the next few years with minor tweaks?

That was the lens I was viewing this trade through. Ie, for the next two years money won’t matter and the team in 2025 will be drastically different so getting the most value is more important. I’m seeing this is incorrect and edm/wpg are probably not good trade partners

The only scenario IMO where they don't sign PLD long term is if he doesn't want to sign. There hasn't been any indication of that.

If I was running the Jets, there's no way I'd dump Helle and both of their top six C's unless there were some major personality issues going on. And moving Wheeler is going to be so hard. That cap hit is just so high.

The Jets can either try to tinker for next year or they can try to shake things up.

Scheifele, Wheeler, and Hellebucyk's contracts all come up after 2 more seasons. So a possible rationale for a shake up could be to try and transition from those three to the next group. Would require a few moves, and easier said than done. The contracts of Ehlers and Connor come up next so you can't really tank. The idea would probably to try and be competitive in 2023. So a young goalie, another young centre, and likely a young RHD would be needed in some combination of return from these 3 IMO.

 

[Snowman]

Fair enough. I'd probably be willing to swap Broberg for Bourgault if he's of more interest, but I don't think I'd consider Holloway.

For me if Helly is moving I'd prefer a high end RHD prospect coming back. I don't see the Jets and Oilers as good trade partners.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I’ve heard they are having troubles with PLD. He wants to be PAID or he’s going two years to ufa. Scheif is on a decline to me and now is the time to max his return.

However, as oilers fans know there is a big gap between mediocre and awful so I can understand the apprehension of going full rebuild vs. Playoff bubble team.

The difference between a decent rebuild and what the Oilers did, is waiting too long to start it. By the time the Oilers started their rebuild, their only veteran trade assets were broken down (Hemsky, Souray and Whitney) or too overpaid to have any demand (Horcoff), and we had no prospects worth a damn so our rebuild too forever. If Winnipeg can move out one or two of those guys at a time for younger players and start a re-tool and youth movement, it might be a good idea to do that. They're window to contend appears to have closed anyway. Tough call.