Proposal: EDM-UTA/EDM-CBJ

[ChaoticOrange]

Lol I. What world is velljmelka worth a first? Maybe concern yourself with your own teams laughable proposals.

Given the lack of available options and the fact that he's been a top 10 goalie this year by his underlying numbers, he's absolutely worth a low first to the right team.

He's stopped 13.3 goals above expected.

To put it in perspective, if Edmonton had Vejmelka over Skinner the improvement would be ~14 goals. That's in all likelihood 5-6 wins and 10-12 or 13 points. Goaltending has been Edmonton's achilles heel so far this year and is arguably the only thing holding them back from being the overwhelming Cup favourite.

 

[stewy04]

Some weird over reactions for fairish trades lol.

 

[TFHockey]

Ingram has an extra year, he's not a UFA.

There's nuance to Vejmelka. Utah is a team on the rise and they'd be firmly in the playoff picture if they hadn't had the terrible luck with injuries that they've had, including two top four D, which would cripple most teams. Especially with Vancouver's downfall.

They have lots of time to sign Vejmelka if they want to keep him. A second isn't enough to make them rush that decision, in my estimation.

I think Columbus would view having Olivier around for the playoffs as more valuable than a pick. He wears a letter there. They have quite a few picks over the next couple years.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Both Olivier and Vejmelka are UFAs. I know Ingram has another year, so I figured they'd keep him on. He took over the crease from Vejmelka last year, so he has the capacity to do it again.

 

[majormajor]

Oliver is definitely worth around a 2nd around the leauge. But Jackets probably value him more than that. Not sure if he's good enough to hang with McDavid and Drai tho

I think multiple clubs would part with their later 1sts for Olivier if they could extend him.

Wouldn't it be worth trading Olivier for a 2nd, bowing out in the 1st round anyway and re-signing him in the off season? I dunno. Seems like smart asset management to me.

The later 1sts and 2nds in this draft aren't going to be that valuable, especially not to a club like the Jackets that is overflowing with prospects. At this point the priority should just be keeping their good players. Rebuild over.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I think multiple clubs would part with their later 1sts for Olivier if they could extend him.



The later 1sts and 2nds in this draft aren't going to be that valuable, especially not to a club like the Jackets that is overflowing with prospects. At this point the priority should just be keeping their good players. Rebuild over.

Doesn't help the case that this year's draft is supposed to be pretty mid. 2026 picks are likely to be worth more.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Both Olivier and Vejmelka are UFAs. I know Ingram has another year, so I figured they'd keep him on. He took over the crease from Vejmelka last year, so he has the capacity to do it again.

the trouble is Ingram has genuinely been awful this year.

 

[majormajor]

Doesn't help the case that this year's draft is supposed to be pretty mid. 2026 picks are likely to be worth more.

I think if you see up and coming clubs sell at this deadline they might target 2026 picks because that is ammo they can use if they're buyers next year.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I really can’t see Utah trading Vejmelka even if they’re a long shot to make playoffs come the deadline. He’s been good for them and and it’s not like they have a high end option pushing him. At some point the team has to stop selling everything not nailed down and instead push to be competitive deep into the season, trading your #1 goalie doesn’t really send a great message to the guys in the room.

I think they extend Vej on a deal similar to Blackwood/Thompson.

 

[Fourier]

I would probably insist on higher than Jeannot, seeing as though Olivier is a better player.

Though that Jeannot trade was a massive overpay so is it really the right metric.

 

[Schemp]

the trouble is Ingram has genuinely been awful this year.

Since he's been back, he's been pretty good! I could see Igram getting the starter job back by the break.
Utah has to be comfortable with Stauber as backup and won't take a goalie back or a draft pick.
If Durzi is close to returning, they could trade a RHD too.

Seriously, Vejjie@50% & Kesselring should be able to get a young C... they really don't need more draft picks. I am disappointed that Utah hasn't used their tradable assets to get immediate help yet.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Both lopsided for Oilers, laughably so.

A 2nd round pick for a UFA goalie isn't laughingly lopsided.

 

[Mr Positive]

I really can’t see Utah trading Vejmelka even if they’re a long shot to make playoffs come the deadline. He’s been good for them and and it’s not like they have a high end option pushing him. At some point the team has to stop selling everything not nailed down and instead push to be competitive deep into the season, trading your #1 goalie doesn’t really send a great message to the guys in the room.

I think they extend Vej on a deal similar to Blackwood/Thompson.

Except Vejmelka has a say in his future. So sure, try to re-sign him, and he could very well agree, but if he doesn't then sell him off. He's an impending UFA who might want to explore his options.

Some weird over reactions for fairish trades lol.

No kidding. And even if the valuation was off it's still a good suggestion to have Vejmelka to the Oilers. The Oilers had a trade history with the Coyotes so I'd think there's a relationship there, and it's benefited the Coyotes/Utahs

I could see some additional value there. If there's a reasonable extension then maybe someone more valuable like Sam O'Reilly. I want to say anyone is available but Akey and Savoie. Our prospect pool has dipped in recent years but the org has made some additions there like Jarventie

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

If Veggie isn't extended soon and Utah is still looking outside of the playoffs I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. I could see UFAs Ian Cole and Bjugstad also being moved with 2 retention spots free. Kerfoot too but I think they would like to keep him.
Like mentioned earlier, Utah is in the process of getting out of a rebuild so I doubt more future picks is what they would like. Maybe a package of player, picks and/or prospect for a young or near NHL ready player. They still have Cap space to use as well.
Should get interesting here in the next few weeks.

 

[Xoggz22]

I like him a lot, probably for the same reasons they do. What do you think is fair value for Olivier as a pending UFA? The premise is that Columbus won't make much of a splash in the post season and Olivier doesn't have an extension, the latter is true and the former is likely.

There are strong indications that Olivier will be re-signing in Columbus. There are on-going discussions and GMDW has made it pretty clear he wants to retain Olivier. I think, on the surface, a 2nd is an overpay. However, Olivier has been such a revelation this year and is great in the room and community that I don't think there is fair value. Moving him will not be well received even if he isn't re-signed. Tough spot on this one. I'm pretty confident he re-signs though.

 

[614 CBJ]

I sense Olivier likes Columbus and will re-sign

Time will tell though

one of Jarmo's better finds

 

[TFHockey]

I sense Olivier likes Columbus and will re-sign

Time will tell though

one of Jarmo's better finds

Yep, that's why I'd like the Oilers to somehow get him.

 

[Viqsi]

Though that Jeannot trade was a massive overpay so is it really the right metric.

I'm also a Preds fan. I'm very familiar with both players. My statement stands as written - Olivier has been that disproportionately valuable to us.

 

[Fourier]

I'm also a Preds fan. I'm very familiar with both players. My statement stands as written - Olivier has been that disproportionately valuable to us.

That's fine. I suspect that the Jeannot trade would be extremely hard to duplicate but if some team wants him that bad then so be it. But perhaps the best option then is just re-sign him.

 

[Viqsi]

That's fine. I suspect that the Jeannot trade would be extremely hard to duplicate but if some team wants him that bad then so be it. But perhaps the best option then is just re-sign him.

That's what we're trying to do. The rumors of his "availability" are sourced entirely from speculation by overeager pundits.

 

[Fourier]

That's what we're trying to do. The rumors of his "availability" are sourced entirely from speculation by overeager pundits.

This does not surprise me to be honest.