Confirmed with Link: [EDM/SJS] Jake Walman <--> cond. EDM 1st '26 (Top-12 protected) & Carl Berglund

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Grier is killing it. He just made off with a first, a second and a prospect for future considerations! lol
I mean he's doing ok, it offsets the Karlsson stuff lol. He got a 1st, a 2nd and some guys for Futures.

Still a horrendous trade from the Wings.

Damn when Detroit gave him away to San Jose I was all over that for a sneaky target. Glad to have him, but wish we could have got him from Detroit for a 6th
I don't know that anyone knew he was available at that time, I think when the deal went down everyone was surprised and many GMs (at least claimed) they would have offered more.

I think the Oilers were too cap strapped at that time.
 
I mean sure give it a try but personally I don't think Nurse and Walman match stylistically.
I think he checks a lot of the right boxes. Good skater, good puck-mover. Sure, I'd like a better entry defender, but that's kind of the tradeoff for his offense.

To me, Nurse doesn't struggle with guys who make bad decisions with the puck. It's the guys that made bad decisions without it. Like Ceci was constantly doing WTF things that you could tell Nurse couldn't read and react to in time. I haven't watched Walman enough to know if that's him, but it sounds like he's more the makes mistakes with the puck because he has it so much type.
 
Really?
Please do post what you have seen because thats contrary to almost every report I have heard up to now.
xGA Oct and November 2.74/60 2nd best on team
December and Jan 3.38/60 2nd worst (Ceci was better)
Feb and March (so far) 2.3/60 middle of the team

He has been pretty inconsistent.
That said he brings offense which is nice. But ALL of his success is on the left side. So unless Nurse moves over, we just paid a first for a guy to play on the bottom pairing cause Kulak will have to be in the top 4. Which…well at least he is a solid player but it doesn’t seem like the best use of assets.

Good player, don’t like the fit.
 
xGA Oct and November 2.74/60 2nd best on team
December and Jan 3.38/60 2nd worst (Ceci was better)
Feb and March (so far) 2.3/60 middle of the team

He has been pretty inconsistent.
That said he brings offense which is nice. But ALL of his success is on the left side. So unless Nurse moves over, we just paid a first for a guy to play on the bottom pairing cause Kulak will have to be in the top 4. Which…well at least he is a solid player but it doesn’t seem like the best use of assets.

Good player, don’t like the fit.
So he's playing heavy minutes on a very bad team and with Cody Ceci, we've seen what Ceci can do to players/teams.

He's a risk for sure, but he's a better player than you're worried about.
 
So he's playing heavy minutes on a very bad team and with Cody Ceci, we've seen what Ceci can do to players/teams.

He's a risk for sure, but he's a better player than you're worried about.
He’s still a left shot d who doesn’t really play right coming to a team where his partner Nurse doesn’t play right either. Which means it’s probably Kulak in the top 4 and Walman on the bottom pairing.
So we paid a first to end up playing the guy 15-16 minutes a night?
 
He’s still a left shot d who doesn’t really play right coming to a team where his partner Nurse doesn’t play right either. Which means it’s probably Kulak in the top 4 and Walman on the bottom pairing.
So we paid a first to end up playing the guy 15-16 minutes a night?
I'm pretty certain this is an overrated statement, Nurse, Kulak and Walman all appear to be be able to play both sides and you're really hung up on Kulak and the top-4.

The Defense has been fluid all season, it gives them more depth and more options. I suspect Walman plays between 17-20 minutes a night in most situations, and that Emberson, Klingberg & Stetcher all see less minutes when they're in.

Plus he can lessen the minutes for Kulak and Nurse. This team values puck moving defensemen who can skate and think, it's why Dineen got the look he did last night, Walman fits that to a tee.
 
I'm pretty certain this is an overrated statement, Nurse, Kulak and Walman all appear to be be able to play both sides and you're really hung up on Kulak and the top-4.

The Defense has been fluid all season, it gives them more depth and more options. I suspect Walman plays between 17-20 minutes a night in most situations, and that Emberson, Klingberg & Stetcher all see less minutes when they're in.

Plus he can lessen the minutes for Kulak and Nurse. This team values puck moving defensemen who can skate and think, it's why Dineen got the look he did last night, Walman fits that to a tee.
Anyone in the league can play right wing. Can they play it well is another thing. It’s not easy to do as it changes a ton about your game. A lot of left d play a worse game when moving to their off side.

One of the teams biggest issues this year has been inconsistency in the play and inconsistency in linemates and pairings (outside Ekholm and Bouchard).

I’m not saying he will play bad, or is a bad player. Just that he has been inconsistent, is 29 and doesn’t actually properly fill any of our major holes….all while being our “big add” for the deadline.
 
Anyone in the league can play right wing. Can they play it well is another thing. It’s not easy to do as it changes a ton about your game. A lot of left d play a worse game when moving to their off side.

One of the teams biggest issues this year has been inconsistency in the play and inconsistency in linemates and pairings (outside Ekholm and Bouchard).

I’m not saying he will play bad, or is a bad player. Just that he has been inconsistent, is 29 and doesn’t actually properly fill any of our major holes….all while being our “big add” for the deadline.
Fair enough, I guess we can either way to see if the player who looks to be a very good stylistic fit, does indeed fit or if he fails.

I have said I thought the price was steep, but I do like the player and I think he makes the team better, concerns noted.

Defensemen who can move the puck to the forwards, make this team better, because getting the puck to the forwards means alot less defending.
 
Fair enough, I guess we can either way to see if the player who looks to be a very good stylistic fit, does indeed fit or if he fails.

I have said I thought the price was steep, but I do like the player and I think he makes the team better, concerns noted.

Defensemen who can move the puck to the forwards, make this team better, because getting the puck to the forwards means alot less defending.
That’s true.
The biggest face palm in this is the teams biggest defensive struggles is Rush defending and Walman is notedly not good at rush defending.
 
What’s the full condition on the first round pick? I find it odd the Oilers would make it top 12 protected, but that might have been Grier’s ask. If the Oilers do drop that far for whatever reason next year, does it defer to ‘27?
 
I thought the Oilers want to get stronger? He is not physical at all and the oilers don‘t need an offensive dmen. Also the whole is on the right side and not on the left… marvellous business as usual by the mgt. also giving up a 1st shows how desperate they are. How the roster construction in Edmonton is done is really poor for years now… if I am McDavid, I would leave as a free agent and join a team that is run better.

Based on how little the forward production is this year, having another dman that drives offense isn’t the worst thing in the world.

I wish he was a RD. But I’ve been saying for years that finding RD is really difficult. Most good teams don’t have 2 RD and have one guy playing an offside.
 
What’s the full condition on the first round pick? I find it odd the Oilers would make it top 12 protected, but that might have been Grier’s ask. If the Oilers do drop that far for whatever reason next year, does it defer to ‘27?
If they trade the 2027 pick this deadline the 2026 becomes unconditional
 
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So you think Ceci is a better Dman?

Or do you think cherrypicking some stats isn't the best way to judge a player? He's playing top pair minutes on a trash team every night, and you fail to bring up that he has very good offensive metrics, which with our fwds compared to the Sharks, will lead to less time in the dzone. Id bet playing second pair here will be a breath of fresh air for him.
No, not at all. I’m saying Walman may be a good offensive defenseman, dangerous at the point and his assist numbers are especially nice, but a liability at the back and the Oilers have been shaky at the back, and that’s putting it nicely.

And “less time in our zone” is moot when opposing teams are entering at will and getting tons of odd man breaks against a shaky goalie pair, and opposing teams are picking off stretch passes and weak neutral zone plays, the league is on to our “zone denial” system and exit passes and knows how to play against them to maximize their own grade A chances.

Last nights second Canadiens goal was a perfect example, they gained entry, and our players passively tried to get in a box and watched the puck as they took a shot from the high slot and scored. How does that get reflected in expected goals? How does a puck mover help fix that?

We’re spending a future first rounder and not filling a need.

Which is especially concerning when playoff hockey is different, events matter more than bulk metrics and defense is tighter and goals hard to come by, Oilers would have been better served with an Oleksiak type acquisition than another puck mover weak at the back if the Cup is their ultimate goal.

Losing Broberg who had a solid defensive playoff effort last season and having to give up a first to replace him without addressing actual defense makes it hurt a little more.
 
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No, not at all. I’m saying Walman may be a good offensive defenseman, dangerous at the point and his assist numbers are especially nice, but a liability at the back and the Oilers have been shaky at the back, and that’s putting it nicely.

And “less time in our zone” is moot when opposing teams are entering at will and getting tons of odd man breaks against a shaky goalie pair, and opposing teams are picking off stretch passes and weak neutral zone plays, the league is on to our “zone denial” system and exit passes and knows how to play against them to maximize their own grade A chances.

Last nights second Canadiens goal was a perfect example, they gained entry, and our players passively tried to get in a box and watched the puck as they took a shot from the high slot and scored. How does that get reflected in expected goals? How does a puck mover help fix that?

We’re spending a future first rounder and not filling a need.

Which is especially concerning when playoff hockey is different, events matter more than bulk metrics and defense is tighter and goals hard to come by, Oilers would have been better served with an Oleksiak type acquisition than another puck mover weak at the back if the Cup is their ultimate goal.

Losing Broberg who had a solid defensive playoff effort last season and having to give up a first to replace him without addressing actual defense makes it hurt a little more.
"Offensive" and "defensive" defensemen is such an archaic way to look at things.

Puck-movers have a ton of defensive value. Especially in the playoffs when teams make transitioning the puck harder. Remember what happened in the Cup Final? Knoblauch had to implement that whacky cherry pick up the boards style because they couldn't pass the puck out of the zone if their life depended on it.
 
"Offensive" and "defensive" defensemen is such an archaic way to look at things.

Puck-movers have a ton of defensive value. Especially in the playoffs when teams make transitioning the puck harder. Remember what happened in the Cup Final? Knoblauch had to implement that whacky cherry pick up the boards style because they couldn't pass the puck out of the zone if their life depended on it.

It has been a problem recently too. Defensively their problems are turnovers and zone exits. Failed zone exits lead to possession loss and more scoring chances for the opponent.
 
No, not at all. I’m saying Walman may be a good offensive defenseman, dangerous at the point and his assist numbers are especially nice, but a liability at the back and the Oilers have been shaky at the back, and that’s putting it nicely.

And “less time in our zone” is moot when opposing teams are entering at will and getting tons of odd man breaks against a shaky goalie pair, and opposing teams are picking off stretch passes and weak neutral zone plays, the league is on to our “zone denial” system and exit passes and knows how to play against them to maximize their own grade A chances.

Last nights second Canadiens goal was a perfect example, they gained entry, and our players passively tried to get in a box and watched the puck as they took a shot from the high slot and scored. How does that get reflected in expected goals? How does a puck mover help fix that?

We’re spending a future first rounder and not filling a need.

Which is especially concerning when playoff hockey is different, events matter more than bulk metrics and defense is tighter and goals hard to come by, Oilers would have been better served with an Oleksiak type acquisition than another puck mover weak at the back if the Cup is their ultimate goal.

Losing Broberg who had a solid defensive playoff effort last season and having to give up a first to replace him without addressing actual defense makes it hurt a little more.
Yeah losing Broberg sucks. But it's done with.

That's one goal man, that Skinner probably could have had, or Bouchard could have got in front of. You can make an argument that on any number of plays having Walman in would have resulted in sustained possession for us and potentially another goal for us.

We can use help in lots of areas, all teams could. You're just hyperfocused on D. But when you have the 2 best players in the world, it's not a bad idea to have a guy that can finish their plays or get them the puck, rather than a Carlo who just helps prevent shots but is absolutely useless in the O-zone. You aren't going to fix all of a teams issues with a single first round pick, and there isn't a D available that would solve all our problems. And if goals are tougher to come by in the playoffs, wouldn't you want someone who can actually help in that regard? We lost game 7 because we couldn't score, not because we allowed 2GA.

The team identified a guy that will help on offense to play to our strengths, and with coaching and a better partner, will hopefully be just fine in the D zone. I suspect he will from what I've seen from analysts at least.
 
No, not af all. I’m saying Walman may be a good offensive defenseman but a liability at the back and the Oilers have been shaky at the back, and that’s putting it nicely.

We’re spending a future first rounder and not filling a need.

Which is especially concerning when playoff hockey is different, events matter more than bulk metrics and defense is tighter and goals hard to come by, Oilers would have been better served with an Oleksiak type acquisition than another puck mover weak at the back if the Cup is their ultimate goal.

Losing Broberg who had a solid defensive playoff effort and having to give up a first to replace him without addressing actual defense makes it hurt a little more.
You think Walman is shaky defensively? Hes been unreal on the sharks.
 
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Even if you don't make a big splash like Gibson or Binnington.

You gotta do something like Soderblom or even Allen or Reimer even Quick. Those can all be easily 'dollar in dollar out' moves.
 

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