Proposal: EDM/SJ

GOilers88

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I've seen people question whether Koskinen would waive for teams, and I have to wonder why he wouldn't. It's not like he's very well received by fans or media in Edmonton, and I'd question whether or not he has a ton of support from his own team.

I think him waiving would be no problem.
 

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As I've said in previous Kane to Edmonton related threads, part of the proposal must include Kane being willing to go to therapy/counselling on a regular basis while playing for the Oilers. If he doesn't go then his contract his void.
 

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Only a sucker would expect for that to happen
Not sure why Reimer gets so much hate.

Guy has a career .914 save % over a 12 year career in the league with 4 different teams.

While never an elite goalie, guy has been solid and fairly consistent.

While mostly playing in a 1B situation he only has 11 playoff starts, but has a pretty damn good .925 save % in his post season appearances.

Those numbers aren't really deserving of the critical posts people write about him on these boards.
 

Larry Hanson

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They could make the cap work this year but next year would be even more of a nightmare than it's looking like now.

Hyman - McD - Kassian
Kane - Drai - x
Fogele - RNH - x
Shore - Ryan - x
x - x

Nurse - Bouchard
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Barrie
x

Smith
Reimer

+ dead cap for Lucic, Neal & Sekera
That's a little over 77 million in cap hit.

Assuming a 82.5M cap that leaves a bit less than 5.5 million to sign 5 forwards, including Puljujarvi, and a defenceman. To me that team looks worse than this year and it also means they have to block Skinner's development another year.
 

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Yea, the missing piece for Edmonton is Kane.....


May not be the missing piece but it helps . I would do the deal and keep Kane under tight control and if he stays out of trouble he is a tradable player in the offer season = profit
 

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They could make the cap work this year but next year would be even more of a nightmare than it's looking like now.

Hyman - McD - Kassian
Kane - Drai - x
Fogele - RNH - x
Shore - Ryan - x
x - x

Nurse - Bouchard
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Barrie
x

Smith
Reimer

+ dead cap for Lucic, Neal & Sekera
That's a little over 77 million in cap hit.

Assuming a 82.5M cap that leaves a bit less than 5.5 million to sign 5 forwards, including Puljujarvi, and a defenceman. To me that team looks worse than this year and it also means they have to block Skinner's development another year.
The alternative is worse I would say. When Koskinen is gone with his 4.5 million, you still have to pay a goaltender. You still have shit depth on the wings. It's about value for specific positions. A 2nd line LW is worth 3.5 million easy. A 1A/AB goalie is worth 2.2 million easy. Yes you're cap strapped for next season. You're going to be no matter what, you'll just have to pay on the free agent market, which is much worse, or rely on rookies to fill the lineup.
 

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The alternative is worse I would say. When Koskinen is gone with his 4.5 million, you still have to pay a goaltender. You still have shit depth on the wings. It's about value for specific positions. A 2nd line LW is worth 3.5 million easy. A 1A/AB goalie is worth 2.2 million easy. Yes you're cap strapped for next season. You're going to be no matter what, you'll just have to pay on the free agent market, which is much worse, or rely on rookies to fill the lineup.
No question that those players are worth the salary but unless the Oilers shed some salary they just won't be able to afford it.

If they don't make any cap dump trades (or somehow convince Keith to retire) they will have to run with Smith/Skinner in goal next year and after signing Puljujarvi they'll probably have to fill out the rest of the holes with ELC's or near league minimum vets.
 

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As I've said in previous Kane to Edmonton related threads, part of the proposal must include Kane being willing to go to therapy/counselling on a regular basis while playing for the Oilers. If he doesn't go then his contract his void.

I don't think Kane would sit there and take the public shaming from 97 like the timid Bison King did. Kanes gone toe to toe w Reeves, he wouldn't put up w 97s pompous bullshit.
 

thadd

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I don't think Kane would sit there and take the public shaming from 97 like the timid Bison King did. Kanes gone toe to toe w Reeves, he wouldn't put up w 97s pompous bullshit.
What the hell does that have to do with what I just said?
He is totally lacking in common sense and is defined by his ability to piss off his teammates.
I said that I wouldn't want the Oilers to acquire him unless he agreed to do weekly counselling sessions.
Seriously. What the hell are you talking about?
 

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What the hell does that have to do with what I just said?
He is totally lacking in common sense and is defined by his ability to piss off his teammates.
I said that I wouldn't want the Oilers to acquire him unless he agreed to do weekly counselling sessions.
Seriously. What the hell are you talking about?
Honestly id agree with the trade with the counselling in it. Oilers would benefit greatly with him on the 2nd line rw possibly switching with Jp every now and again. I can see JP deal something like 4.25-4.5per for 4-5 yrs. Also with smiths contract is front loaded so if he retires after this year his 2nd yr doesnt count towards oilers cap. And with Keith's contract if he retires after this season his last yr is on chicago and oilers get an extra 3m in cap space as well. So i mean between smith and keith oilers could have a potential 10m extra in cap space for next season and if oilers say give zona 2 1sts and a cap dump and prospect for chychrun this year i can see a good possibility of both retiring especially if by chance oilers win the cup but they would have get their shit together and get a #1 tender.
 

thadd

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Honestly id agree with the trade with the counselling in it. Oilers would benefit greatly with him on the 2nd line rw possibly switching with Jp every now and again. I can see JP deal something like 4.25-4.5per for 4-5 yrs. Also with smiths contract is front loaded so if he retires after this year his 2nd yr doesnt count towards oilers cap. And with Keith's contract if he retires after this season his last yr is on chicago and oilers get an extra 3m in cap space as well. So i mean between smith and keith oilers could have a potential 10m extra in cap space for next season and if oilers say give zona 2 1sts and a cap dump and prospect for chychrun this year i can see a good possibility of both retiring especially if by chance oilers win the cup but they would have get their shit together and get a #1 tender.

We DO need a goalie, but it's not our biggest problem.
#1 depth
#2 is the frequency that players make a positive impact on plays that derives from depth.
#3 is goaltending.

I'd really like Kane on the 3rd line. To have 3 productive lines would be amazing.
 

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We DO need a goalie, but it's not our biggest problem.
#1 depth
#2 is the frequency that players make a positive impact on plays that derives from depth.
#3 is goaltending.

I'd really like Kane on the 3rd line. To have 3 productive lines would be amazing.
No way you put kane on the 3rd line. You trade yamo or put him on the third and trade kassian to an eastern team. But kane is a top 6 player and honestly is probably best suites to play with mcdavid or you have nuge centering hyman and kane on the 2nd. Depth can come but honestly goaltending is more of a priority over depth because a true #1 tender will keep you in a game and bring the team together with a few good looking saves. Idc what team you have infront you put someone like kosk in net and the team in front of you knows one of 2 things, either hes letting in one of the first 2 shots or hes goimg to have a decent game and knowing that the team is going to play like shit right at the start. Hence why oilers have lost 7 of their last 9. You have skinner in net and he provides way more stability than kosk ever will not only that the team doesnt play like shit right from the get go. At the end of the day they need to trade kosk once smith is back or send him down to the echl. If they think skinner is their #1 or the future let him get the experience he needs now.
 

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I don't think Edmonton has the leadership to help hold Kane accountable.

There's a risk involved there for sure. I don't disagree necessarily but we need scoring depth and if the cost negates the risk, you kind of have to least look at it. Edmonton wouldn't be able to touch a Kane level talent otherwise, the cost in minimal both is cap and in assets needing to be given. I'd probably be more open to this without Reimer in the deal at all. Kane 50% for Yamamoto and Koskinen. Or since Yamamoto isn't really valuable replace him with a pick and B prospect. SJ moves on and Edmonton improves scoring depth. Seems like a win for both clubs
 
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majormajor

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As I've said in previous Kane to Edmonton related threads, part of the proposal must include Kane being willing to go to therapy/counselling on a regular basis while playing for the Oilers. If he doesn't go then his contract his void.

You can ask Kane if he is willing to do that but you can't change his contract to insert that as a provision.
 

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Yea, the missing piece for Edmonton is Kane.....

Depth scoring is a major issue and throwing Kane into the 3rd line since he drives play and is a shoot first type player would really solidify 3 scoring lines for this season and for next with a few more young guys like Holloway and Bourgault probably looking to make the jump Edmonton could potentially have lines like this. I do think Holloway is expected to make next season's opening roster. If he didn't get hurt he'd likely already be here. Can a 20 year old Bourgault make the jump? If not we could spot gap Yamamoto for another season.

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl
- Bourgault
Kane - Holloway - Kassian
Foegele - McLeod - Yamamoto

I look at that and it starts looking like the forward makeup you see on the top tier teams. 5 of the 6 top six forwards (Bolded) are a given. A young guy like Bourgault with his shot should be capable "if ready" of replacing the 3rd wheel Yamamoto. I see Yamamoto as a 3rd line forechecker, but like the idea of Kane and Kassian on the same line.

If Kane at 50% is available for a pick and prospect and we can move out Koskinen I take that deal and roll the dice.
 
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I dont get it... Oilers have a good team with players pulling in the right direction. For years they pick top 3 at the draft and the team didnt perform because of the bad lockeroom... Hall, Eberle...

Now Oilers have a good team with a good spirit and someone want to bring Kane in that... i dont get it. Seems to be DEJA VUE
 

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No way you put kane on the 3rd line. You trade yamo or put him on the third and trade kassian to an eastern team. But kane is a top 6 player and honestly is probably best suites to play with mcdavid or you have nuge centering hyman and kane on the 2nd. Depth can come but honestly goaltending is more of a priority over depth because a true #1 tender will keep you in a game and bring the team together with a few good looking saves. Idc what team you have infront you put someone like kosk in net and the team in front of you knows one of 2 things, either hes letting in one of the first 2 shots or hes goimg to have a decent game and knowing that the team is going to play like shit right at the start. Hence why oilers have lost 7 of their last 9. You have skinner in net and he provides way more stability than kosk ever will not only that the team doesnt play like shit right from the get go. At the end of the day they need to trade kosk once smith is back or send him down to the echl. If they think skinner is their #1 or the future let him get the experience he needs now.

Yamo is RW. Kane is LW.

Put Kane on a line with McLeod. That kid has speed and skill. They'd be a great pair on the 3rd line.
 

Mike Dukarm

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I dont get it... Oilers have a good team with players pulling in the right direction. For years they pick top 3 at the draft and the team didnt perform because of the bad lockeroom... Hall, Eberle...

Now Oilers have a good team with a good spirit and someone want to bring Kane in that... i dont get it. Seems to be DEJA VUE

Oilers can found better... a lot of players will be available after christmas...
 

DingDongCharlie

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I've seen people question whether Koskinen would waive for teams, and I have to wonder why he wouldn't. It's not like he's very well received by fans or media in Edmonton, and I'd question whether or not he has a ton of support from his own team.

I think him waiving would be no problem.

He also has zero chance if being extended here. If he wants to continue his NHL days, he's going to have to do it in another city.
 

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