Value of: EDM & OTT
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TheImpatientPanther
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So to move some money around...
Something like Turris/Russell + 3rd + 4th for Paul?
I know some of my fellow Oil fans hate the idea but I'd also propose something like Yamamoto + 2nd for Brown? Not enough? Too much from Oilers?
Lavoie + 22/23 1st + ? for Brown?
Sens will try to re-sign Paul. The coach called him a “core guy” in a pre-season interview. He’s not a scorer but contributes in a lot of ways. If they can’t - ideal situation is packaging him or finding a 3-way which sends them back an NHL player (DeBrusk?). If not, push for a 1st rounder, even if they have to add. Ottawa has plenty of middling prospects and 2nd round picks already.
Brown would cost a lot more - since he has another year to run and does all of those same things as Paul - plus score.
Also btw for Oilers fans - while Sens fans would have him back, no way no how will the Ottawa owner and GM have anything to do with Kyle Turris.
Brown would cost a lot more - since he has another year to run and does all of those same things as Paul - plus score.
Also btw for Oilers fans - while Sens fans would have him back, no way no how will the Ottawa owner and GM have anything to do with Kyle Turris.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Brown returns a 1st + late 2nd/3rd
Paul returns a 2nd. He's been terrible this year but still a valuable asset if/when he turns it around.
Paul returns a 2nd. He's been terrible this year but still a valuable asset if/when he turns it around.
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I am not going to touch evaluations since I am a fan of the team and it would be like bragging how smart your kid is in special ed.
I will say, there is ZERO chance Turris comes back to Ottawa as long as Melnyk is the owner and Dorion is the GM. It was a gong show when he left and bridges were not only burned, they were chopped up first then burned then pissed on.
I don't think Ottawa can afford to trade either unless we are getting legit NHL players in return. We have plenty of draft picks and cap space so unless we are getting players that can immediately jump in the line up then why bother.
The Devilish Buffoon
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Paul returns at least a 2nd. Easily.
I think "terrible" is an overstatement. He has struggled in a top 6 role because he's not suited to it, but he brings all the qualities you'd want in a bottom 6er. He is a streaky scorer, but most teams besides us wouldn't need to rely on him to score. When he's not relied on to score, the other details of his game are all excellent.
That's exactly what Edmonton needs a guy like him for.
Sounds like my initial proposals are way off.
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I think your Brown proposals are pretty fair, if not slight overpays.
The Paul one is off for sure, though. I think it would take at least 2nd + a filler player (ex Perlini/Benson) or a 3rd/4th + a decent prospect/young player (ex McLeod, Petrov, Samorukov, Savoie, etc... although I could be under/over-valuing guys in this group). I could see a contender offering a 1st if we throw in a 3rd or even Tampa's 2nd, though.
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bucks_oil
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A 1st is a lot to pay for a one-dimensional defensive forward. And it's tough to evaluate just how effective he is in that role when he's playing on a struggling squad. His advanced stats certainly don't jump out at you based on my quick glance. It would be interesting to hear from from Sens fans, but I don't see a fit... we have guys like Sceviour that can defend and do almost nothing else.
As for Connor Brown... he's obviously a bit more of a two way guy and could fit in well on our 3rd line. I don't see how we can fit him in salary cap wise. As Sens fans have said, Turris is a no go... so after that we'd have to give up Kassian, which... I dunno, can't imagine Sens being interested and anyway he's playing ok again this year.
As for Connor Brown... he's obviously a bit more of a two way guy and could fit in well on our 3rd line. I don't see how we can fit him in salary cap wise. As Sens fans have said, Turris is a no go... so after that we'd have to give up Kassian, which... I dunno, can't imagine Sens being interested and anyway he's playing ok again this year.
Paul is a good bottom sixer who plays well in his own end in the role and brings a solid work ethic each night far as I can tell. I think he'd be a good upgrade for our 3rd or 4th line and bring some jam.
I really like Brown cause he plays similar to JP, Yamo and Hyman. He gives an honest effort every night and is a hound on the puck while being defensively responsible. I think he'd be an upgrade on Yamo for this year and next and depending on what a Yamo extension looks like might wind up being slightly more expensive but worth it I think.
I'd do either Yamo + 2nd or Lavoie + 1st + for Brown.
For Paul I'd also do like Benson + 2nd or something similar.
I really think both guys would help round out our bottom six really well so I'm okay dumping some assets. Dunno if the cap could work for both, or if Sens fans think it's even close though.
I'm sure some Oil fans will absolutely hate it too, but that's okay.
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No go, Ryan has been struggling and has underlying numbers look terrible. I’m not sure Edmonton is as sold on Paul being a centre as we are as Sens fans.
Lots of revolving pieces that are available but Oilers should be targeting multiple Ottawa players.
Brown to fill 2RW
Paul to fill 3C/3LW
Tierney to fill 3C
Forsberg to fill 3G
Holden maybe for 7/8/9
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Brown and Paul are great teammates and I think Ottawa will do all they can to retain/re-sign them.
The offers are fair though.
The offers are fair though.
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I think Ottawa might take 1st + Lavoie for Brown. Paul would be a 2nd or late 1st (if things get silly at the deadline).
That said, I think they'll look to bring Paul back on a low cost longer term deal but they might let go of Brown.
What's up with Lavoie this year?
That said, I think they'll look to bring Paul back on a low cost longer term deal but they might let go of Brown.
What's up with Lavoie this year?
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For a team that is severely lacking good veterans the Sens can't afford to give up Connor Brown. When he is on, he's one of the leaders in the room and very effective on the ice. Paul would probably be more available as he is a UFA but he is also a "core" bottom six forward for us.
Paul is having a bit of a down year but his work ethic is unmatched. Probably would cost Edmonton a 2nd at the deadline if the Sens don't feel they can get him extended.
Connor Brown is worth much more and has 2 years on his deal. If he was traded this year with term left, I would ask for more than the Oilers probably want to pay. Maybe something like a 1st rounder+prospect or Poolparty (RFA) straight up.
Paul is having a bit of a down year but his work ethic is unmatched. Probably would cost Edmonton a 2nd at the deadline if the Sens don't feel they can get him extended.
Connor Brown is worth much more and has 2 years on his deal. If he was traded this year with term left, I would ask for more than the Oilers probably want to pay. Maybe something like a 1st rounder+prospect or Poolparty (RFA) straight up.
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How are you affording Brown? He adds $1.6m above Yama which we can't afford. (also that's a HUGE offer for him)
Sure... Paul for Benson? Yeah... no lose situation for us. Benson isn't going to be a top six here and I just don't see him offering much in the bottom 6.
Yeah I don't know lol. If there's no way to make it work capwise then not much can be done.
Kass + 1st + 3rd?
Kass + Lavoie + 1st?
Tierney was originally my second target with Brown but his caphit makes it even more difficult.
And I just like what Nick Paul brings to the bottom six. Ottawa should likely look to retain both as they're the kind of workers you want young guys around.
Was waived from Edmonton. Oilers also have a couple of young goalies knocking on the door. We don't need Ottawa's AHLers.
I'd be interested in Brown and Paul coming to Edmonton, but in the Oilers case it must be dollars in = dollars out.
Kassian would have to be moved in such a trade. Derek Ryan as well since he'd be redundant as a center. McLeod would move down to the 4th line center role.
We can discuss value but those are the realities of making trades in the cap world of the NHL.
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Zack Kassian is probably a welcome addition through the eyes of Ottawa’s management.
Team identity, RW, and maybe a move will spark him to what he was in the earlier Oiler’s day.
1st + Lavoie + Kassian for 2 years of Brown sounds pretty tempting to me. Addresses our immediate RW needs to replace Brown, stock our RW prospect pool and adds a draft pick. Might seem a bit steep for you guys though, no?
