Is money than much worse than AHL/ECHL deal though? Scouting is pretty strong especially if you end up in a major league like FEL, NLA or SHL.
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Is money than much worse than AHL/ECHL deal though? Scouting is pretty strong especially if you end up in a major league like FEL, NLA or SHL.
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Vesey was drafted as an overages,
Both played 4 seasons of hockey after being drafted which made them UFAs
I think Stauffer said that LA, Vancouver, Chicago, and maybe Pittsburgh had interest. He was in LA last week
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Not that much lower. But if you are in AHL you have a way better likelihood of getting an NHL call up and making NHL money for a bit. So could be a spread of a 100k-200k over a season
Overseas scouting has gotten a lot better but I believe a good season in AHL means a lot more than good season in FEL/SEL or even KHL. For younger guys if you do good overseas you get signed to a NA deal, then come over and have to play in AHL to prove yourself in AHL and then get an NHL call up. For an AHL guy, NHL teams get to see him better in AHL and then he gets direct call up. So a bit easier path
The difference to me as to why CHL players dont do this and NCAA do go to free agency at times- is that for CHL guys it involves a lot of uprooting and unneccesary steps. Often if you have an reservations about team that drafted you, they are minor and not worth not signing an ELC
But for a NCAA guy, they are likely going to school for 4 years anyway (either because they want to or teams just dont sign many 2nd/3rd years to pro deals unless they are really good). So they wills tay 4 years in school no matter what. Then when they do graduate they have luxury of choosing any team. So they may like the team they drafted them, just better for career to choose a better suited team
I don't think it would be worth it for a player to have to move overseas and acclimate to a new language/lifestyle/coaching/rink size for just one year of hockey while so much (millions of dollars) hangs in the balance. It would be far too stressful. NCAA players have that familiarity of their college rink/lifestyle for the full 3-4 years.
Matthews could do it because he was a superstar talent that was undoubtedly going to go top 5 no matter what year he had. He also had a ton of backing/resources and he was going to get millions of dollars even if he was piss-poor in the NLA.
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NCAA should adjust the rules for hockey players. I understand they dont want to pay players (its a joke but whatever) but I see no reason why they wouldnt let NHL teams pay for NCAA tution. They dont have to give scholarships to players (save money) and get to keep some players in NCAA that might leave for AHL/NHL
So something like this: Player X is drafted in round 3, has a pretty solid draft+1 year in NCAA. NHL team wants to make sure he is under contract, signs him to an sliding ELC (liek CHL players get) and allows him to stay in NCAA, earn money thru contract, but also keeps him under contract when he leaves NCAA
That NCAA can stop giving him the scholarship, he pays full tuition with money he got from signing bonus (hell even have extra after).
Every party is better off:
NHL- Pays a bit extra money than they otherwise would have but get an important player under contract
NCAA-Gets money from that player for tution (minor amount in grand scheme) but retains talent in NCAA
Player-Gets to finish schooling but also gets money. Can choose whenever is best to leave for NHL and money is no longer driving factor
For rest of average drfated NCAA players-rules remain the same.
So something like this: Player X is drafted in round 3, has a pretty solid draft+1 year in NCAA. NHL team wants to make sure he is under contract, signs him to an sliding ELC (liek CHL players get) and allows him to stay in NCAA, earn money thru contract, but also keeps him under contract when he leaves NCAA
That NCAA can stop giving him the scholarship, he pays full tuition with money he got from signing bonus (hell even have extra after).
Every party is better off:
NHL- Pays a bit extra money than they otherwise would have but get an important player under contract
NCAA-Gets money from that player for tution (minor amount in grand scheme) but retains talent in NCAA
Player-Gets to finish schooling but also gets money. Can choose whenever is best to leave for NHL and money is no longer driving factor
For rest of average drfated NCAA players-rules remain the same.
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Draft isnt opt in like NFL draft is
Any person under 20 can be drafted IIRC, maybe its 19 (seriously any HF user under 20 could be). So your rights would always be kept until 20 at min (if you were good enough to be drafted)
Ofcourse if you arent drafted at 18 you are free to sign as UFA. So you could just screw the pooch in your draft year to go undrafted, in which case you are a UFA
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Probably not Pittsburgh, we already have 16 defensemen under contract and 3 or 4 more on AHL deals with WBS. It's kind of ridiculous.
some off hand comment about previous cup winners, Pittsburgh's the only one I really wasn't sure about
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I think that I read somewhere on here that it was Chicago and LA that had interest along with us and Vancouver.
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Im going to say that this was a fantastic off season for the Oilers prospect wise. Whether they pan out or not remains to be seen tho.
Chai stocked up on every possible position.
Chai stocked up on every possible position.
Edmonton's historical perforamance with Defensemen development has to be the worst in the league bar none.
We haven't drafted and developer a top pairing defenseman in 25 years.
I'm surprised agents haven't caught on to this. Maybe it's just bad drafting.
We haven't drafted and developer a top pairing defenseman in 25 years.
I'm surprised agents haven't caught on to this. Maybe it's just bad drafting.
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Top pairing defensemen? No, at least not yet. Klefbom might get there. Petry is absolutely not a top pair defensemen.
It's a fair comment, but also look at the drafting history (other than Darnell Nurse) nothing in the top-10 for the past 30+ years and only handful in the first round!!!
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005632.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Edmonton_Oilers_draft_picks
Oilers have been fairly allergic to drafting D high.
Neither of them are thought to be top 2 d-men currently.
Klefbom was tracking.
Petry is a second pair d-man.
Tom Poti is the other one that maybe was a number 2 in his good years.. after he left Edmonton.
This . Now that Chia has taken over our picks from the last draft has taken gains step forward , See Bear and Paigin progress . They still have work to do but for once our D has taken a giant step forward draft +1
