PTO: [EDM] Jasper Weatherby, Mike Hoffman and Travis Dermott sign PTOs with the Oilers; 6 others invited to camp

[Oilslick941611]

How many 7/8 type damn does it take to fill a top 4 role?

lol 7/8 at best IF he makes the team.

its a PTO not a signing.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not when I watched him. Weak in his own zone, but decent skater and can move the puck up not bad. Just terrible in front of his net though. I think all three of them aren't top 6 D on a team that wants to win a cup. All depth guys imo...

Sounds like precisely where we will use them. One (Stecher probably) might be in the starting six to start the year, but will likely be #7 or 8 come playoff time.

 

[Oleksiak]

That D shut your Canucks offensive ass straight down in the last 4 games of the series. You had *nothing* going in game 7 until dummy Ryan McLeod decides to gift a freebie away. What happened there?

Flukes happen. Edmonton still has chosen not replace Bouchard and Nurse will players capable of playing defence, not to mention the rest of the AHL pylons.

 

[Soundwave]

Flukes happen. Edmonton still has chosen not replace Bouchard and Nurse will players capable of playing defence, not to mention the rest of the AHL pylons.

Flukes don't happen 4 times in a row in the playoffs buddy, your team got shut down.

Game 7 in particular was pathetic, Vancouver had like 2 good scoring chances with like 95% of the game over, nothing going at all until McLeod just inexplicably decides to give away a goal for no reason.

Aside from one little stretch where Boeser got loose for a period, the Oilers were very successful in limiting most of Vancouver's offense, especially the longer the series went they were barely getting looks at all.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Flukes happen. Edmonton still has chosen not replace Bouchard and Nurse will players capable of playing defence, not to mention the rest of the AHL pylons.

First it was injuries, now it was flukes. Can y'all at least land on one consistent narrative?

 

[Oleksiak]

First it was injuries, now it was flukes. Can y'all at least land on one consistent narrative?

You actually think a defence with 1 NHLer, A PWHLer, an ECHLer, and 3 AHLers is good enough? The Oilers have the worst blueline in the history of the league and Dermott is a massive upgrade as a tweener who can handle limited NHL minutes in an emergency.

 

[Three On Zero]

That D shut your Canucks offensive ass straight down in the last 4 games of the series. Canucks offense had *nothing* going for like 90% of game 7 too, couldn't piss a drop until dummy Ryan McLeod decides to gift a freebie away late in the game. What happened there?

Uhh 6 of the 7 games were all decided by a single goal. I wouldn’t say that’s exactly getting “shut down”. Neither team really put on a defensive clinic. But anyways, Dermott is still only likely a warm PTO body

 

[Soundwave]

Uhh 6 of the 7 games were all decided by a single goal. I wouldn’t say that’s exactly getting “shut down”. Neither team really put on a defensive clinic

Averaging 2 goals/game for the final 4 games of a series is getting shut down. You're not winning many series if you're at a 2 goal/game rate down the stretch like that. Vancouver lost and deservedly so.

In game 7 they were well on their way to being shut out on their home ice (embarrassing) and had nothing going at all until they got gifted a charity gimme by Ryan McLeod very late in the game. As far the d-corps is concerned, you can't do much better than that though, they did their job and then some.

Oilers got better defensively against every team they played in the playoffs the longer every series went on.

That's good coaching.

 

[Three On Zero]

Averaging 2 goals/game for the final 4 games of a series is getting shut down. You're not winning many series if you're at a 2 goal/game rate down the stretch like that. Vancouver lost and deservedly so.

In game 7 they were well on their way to being shut out on their home ice (embarrassing) and had nothing going at all until they got gifted a charity gimme by Ryan McLeod very late in the game. As far the d-corps is concerned, you can't do much better than that though, they did their job and then some.

Oilers got better defensively against every team they played in the playoffs the longer every series went on.

That's good coaching.

Or remove the one outlier game and see that the other 6 were all single goal games. Neither team has a defensive group to write home about, especially after the first pairings. Dermott is just a warm body PTO with a very small chance of actually getting a contract. I don’t know why every thread needs to turn into a pissing match about past events

 

[Voodoo Child]

Nice enough guy, decent smarts for the game but mediocre to average tools - not big, above average but not amazing skater, okay shot, okay first pass, not really physical, may be able to handle light PP work, can handle a few big minutes but falls apart etc.,

Also sucked for him being injured most of last year, missing his last shot to find a role and get himself paid.

You could do worse for a depth D who plays 12-15 minutes In 45-55 games.

 

[Soundwave]

Nice enough guy, decent smarts for the game but mediocre to average tools - not big, above average but not amazing skater, okay shot, okay first pass, not really physical, may be able to handle light PP work, can handle a few big minutes but falls apart etc.,

Also sucked for him being injured most of last year, missing his last shot to find a role and get himself paid.

You could do worse for a depth D who plays 12-15 minutes In 45-55 games.

45-55 games would be a stretch, Ekholm, Nurse, and Kulak are clearly on the depth chart above him. He plays during injuries.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Surprised they haven’t signed Giordano

We already have enough guys to fill our broken hip quota

 

[Three On Zero]

Vancouver was up 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 in that series, they couldn't finish the job because the Oilers D (yes their D) shut them down.

Their offense in general outside of the early games never got going aside from Boeser in one period.

Not so easy when you're not being gifted freebie goals in a run n' gun all-offense system that Woodcroft was using.

If Canucks can see massive defensive gains from a coaching switch (Tocchet) and the Flames went through something similar with Sutter a couple of years prior, there's no law that says only those two teams were ever going to have the gift of defensive structure.

Other coaches can be hired who know how to implement defensive systems too, Oilers finally got one. Fair is fair.

6 one goal games. Not a defensive clinic

 

[Soundwave]

6 one goal games. Not a defensive clinic

What does the spread of the game have to do with anything. Goals against is the general defensive metric.

The Oilers held the Canucks a 2/goal game average for the final 4 games of the series. Your odds of winning a series when you hold a team to only 2 goals a game for that long of a stretch become extremely good.

Game 6 and 7 in total Vancouver barely had anything going at all for most of those games. Very strong effort and game planning by the Oilers D and staff.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

He’s below average at everything but not terrible. Never developed any facet of his game since his nhl debut and the injuries definitely didn’t help

 

[Siludin]

Probs deserved a real contract now that he has been healthy.
His agent also has to be telling him it's now or never.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Not the worst PTO you can get. Can be a low event bottom six guy in the right system.

 

[Three On Zero]

What does the spread of the game have to do with anything. Goals against is the general defensive metric.

The Oilers held the Canucks a 2/goal game average for the final 4 games of the series. Your odds of winning a series when you hold a team to only 2 goals a game for that long of a stretch become extremely good.

Game 6 and 7 in total Vancouver barely had anything going at all for most of those games. Very strong effort and game planning by the Oilers D and staff.

6 one goal games in the series.

Not the worst PTO you can get. Can be a low event bottom six guy in the right system.

Give him 12-15 minutes in a bottom pairing sheltered role and he will do fine. He’s not going to make you happy but he also won’t make you pull your hair out. Just don’t expect too much from him. Depth PTO / competition to push other guys to work for it kind of look

 

[Voodoo Child]

45-55 games would be a stretch, Ekholm, Nurse, and Kulak are clearly on the depth chart above him. He plays during injuries.

About what I figured, injuries happen and it's a long season, good cheap add.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Not the worst PTO you can get. Can be a low event bottom six guy in the right system.

Pretty much this. All we really need from him is to be a callup option in the event of a LD injury. He can do that no problem.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

How many 7/8 type damn does it take to fill a top 4 role?

The math is easy. You take four number eights at 1/8th each. Add them up and you have a number 1/2 defensemen.

 

[jackjohnson]

Flukes don't happen 4 times in a row in the playoffs buddy, your team got shut down.

Game 7 in particular was pathetic, Vancouver had like 2 good scoring chances with like 95% of the game over, nothing going at all until McLeod just inexplicably decides to give away a goal for no reason.

Aside from one little stretch where Boeser got loose for a period, the Oilers were very successful in limiting most of Vancouver's offense, especially the longer the series went they were barely getting looks at all.

I think due to Pettersson being terrible it was easy to shutdown Canucks if it wasnt for our 3rd line of Garland, Joshua and Lindholm. I think with Petersson being more motivated and healthy this time around plus addition of solid forward depth, Canucks will be harder to shutdown. A 4th line of Kiefer sherwood and Danton Heinen would give Canucks a 4 line team.

Sprong-Miller-Boeser
Hoglander-Pettersson-DeBrusk
Joshua-Bluger-Garland
Heinen-Suter-Sherwood

The bottom 6 is very much improved and the top 6 with addition of Debrusk and Sprong will give the Canucks a couple players that will add to offense.

Pretty much this. All we really need from him is to be a callup option in the event of a LD injury. He can do that no problem.

Problem is he is always injured. I dont remember he played for Canucks since he was on IR all the time. When he played he was not that good, very soft on puck. Would not use him in playoffs, same with Stecher.

 

[jackjohnson]

Probs deserved a real contract now that he has been healthy.
His agent also has to be telling him it's now or never.

Can he play even 10 games in a season? Dude is always getting injured.

 

[Soundwave]

I think due to Pettersson being terrible it was easy to shutdown Canucks if it wasnt for our 3rd line of Garland, Joshua and Lindholm. I think with Petersson being more motivated and healthy this time around plus addition of solid forward depth, Canucks will be harder to shutdown. A 4th line of Kiefer sherwood and Danton Heinen would give Canucks a 4 line team.

Sprong-Miller-Boeser
Hoglander-Pettersson-DeBrusk
Joshua-Bluger-Garland
Heinen-Suter-Sherwood

The bottom 6 is very much improved and the top 6 with addition of Debrusk and Sprong will give the Canucks a couple players that will add to offense.


Problem is he is always injured. I dont remember he played for Canucks since he was on IR all the time. When he played he was not that good, very soft on puck. Would not use him in playoffs, same with Stecher.

Lindholm and Zadarov were arguably the Canucks best forward and D in the Oilers series, losing both is going to be tough for them I think.

 

[Czechboy]

The math is easy. You take four number eights at 1/8th each. Add them up and you have a number 1/2 defensemen.

This is the perfect reply!