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Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] D Evan Bouchard re-signs with the Oilers (2 years, $3.9M AAV)

Any player currently in Edmonton or who chooses to sign in Edmonton needs to realize that everything they do is attributed to McDrai and should be taking discounts or signing for less otherwise they’re overpaid leeches. HF knows this, all the players should too.

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notbias said:
If he does that, in two years time over 50% of the cap could be tied up between players who can't keep the puck out of their own net (Nurse, Bouchard, Campbell, Drai, McDavid)... really don't like how Edmonton is building their team.



He's bad defensively playing low quality competition.

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If he improves defensively he will be a great player though, the offense is there.
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The Czech in my prefers Andy and Rono!

I'm not saying he is rod langway and I can definitely think of a lot of D that are better at defending than him. What I can't think of is D that can put up numbers like him.

He was always a scoring Dman.. for the Knights for team Canada. Now it's apparently just because of McDaid and that PP. His even strength numbers are great and he didn't start getting powerplay time till Barrie was gone.

But, yes, if we are up 2-1 in a game 7... Bouch can sit down. He probably has 2 points though haha.
 
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notbias said:
Not sure he has to be worth it, there is a 9.5 million dollar D who isn't worth it.... it is not far fetched to think Bouchard can get 10 million and not be worth it.
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Bouchard won’t be overpaid in 2 years because the Oilers won’t have the cap to overpay him anyways. The main priority is Draisaitl. It’s kind of a good thing they’re so tight against the cap because it’s preventing GMs from signing further terrible contracts.

Nurse was overpaid because they had ‘extra’ money
 
ChaoticOrange said:
Weird how all of the three had career seasons with a talented young puckmover on the back end, hey?
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Hey if you want to overpay a D-man who piggybacks off your generational forward, like EDM did with Nurse, have at it. Just don't pretend he's a #1 D-man like the Oilers did with Nurse.
 
You have to be crazy to think Bouchard isn't putting up at least 60 points this season. You have to be equally crazy to pay Bouchard as a number one defenseman.

If Bouchard want's number one defenseman money at the end of this contract the Oilers will trade him and replace him with a Klingberg or Barrie type of stopgap or any defenseman looking for a big payday after playing with McDavid and Draisaitl.

I like Bouchard but I can't say I'm overly worried about him pricing himself off of the team.
 
Three On Zero said:
What on this green earth even remotely points to Evan Bouchard ever being a defensive defenceman :huh: . The guy is the complete opposite, his upside seems to be a lesser version of Tyson Barrie
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Come on...we know you have a little bias toward EDM but Bouchard definitely has more upside than Barrie and probably is already better than he was...

I think a realistic comp for him could be John Carlson.
 
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Czechboy said:


The Czech in my prefers Andy and Rono!

I'm not saying he is rod langway and I can definitely think of a lot of D that are better at defending than him. What I can't think of is D that can put up numbers like him.

He was always a scoring Dman.. for the Knights for team Canada. Now it's apparently just because of McDaid and that PP. His even strength numbers are great and he didn't start getting powerplay time till Barrie was gone.

But, yes, if we are up 2-1 in a game 7... Bouch can sit down. He probably has 2 points though haha.
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His ES numbers are great? He is 31st 5v5 while mostly playing with Drai, McDavid, and Hyman.

Bouchard had 25 points in 82 games at 5v5.

Gustaffson put up 1 point less in 12 less games at 5v5.

Sandin put up 2 point less in 11 less games at 5v5.

He also has a high amount of secondary assists (assuming this has to do with who he plays with).

Oleksiak, Mayfield, and Maata all have more primary points at 5v5.

He's good offensively but is not doing anything special, hence the cap hit.

Also, his defensive numbers are propped up by not taking penalties, and not much else.

The easy deployment and low defensive impact don't look great.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
Come on...we know you have a little bias toward EDM but Bouchard definitely has more upside than Barrie and probably is already better than he was...

I think a realistic comp for him could be John Carlson.
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Barrie in his early to mid 20s? C'mon man, that was a tantalizing player.
 
I'm not totally sold on Bouchard just yet. But I'd have signed him to that contract in a heartbeat. I'd have given him another million or another year (or both), to be honest.

For this neutral fan, this looks like a win for Edmonton.
 
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Come on...we know you have a little bias toward EDM but Bouchard definitely has more upside than Barrie and probably is already better than he was...

I think a realistic comp for him could be John Carlson.
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Carlson was voted 2nd, 4th, and 5th for the Norris... that is a pretty high goal for Bouchard when there are a bunch of better D around his age.

Carlson was amongst the best for a few years.

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Just to put this into perspective, here are some U25 D (not including prospects)

Dahlin, Fox, Makar, Heiskanen, Hughes, Sergachev, Seider, Miller, Dobson, Power, Chychrun, Sanderson, and Byram.

He's better than some but worse than a lot of them too.

Now if you include prospects it gets even harder for him to be a top D.

Nemec, Hughes, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Clarke, Nikishin, Hutson, Faber, Reinbacher, Willander, etc...
 
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herzausstein said:
Puts Draisaitl, McLeod, and Bouchard looking for extensions that summer (in 2 years) with only Ceci, Foegele, and Neal's dead cap expiring between now and then. Thatll be another fun summer
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I think that’s fine honestly. We’ll have two major cap increases in there as well.
 
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Mr Positive said:
Part of it is that we have no cap space. We could only have the term that his cap hit allows. The one line in the sand was 2 years. We needed two years to deal with Connor Brown's contract overage. Our 2024-25 squad is already basically set and that's a big deal.

I also think having his deal expire with Drai's makes sense. It makes things a bit safer in that if Bouchard doesn't do great we don't have a 4-5 million dollar commitment to worry about. Also, if Drai decides to leave then we will have all the cash we would need to re sign Bouchard if he is great enough to demand a big contract.

Also maybe a shorter deal is a bit better in terms of timing. A longer bridge may increase the next AAV after.
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This is also why Nurse was bridged, I hate this revisionist history about how they could have cheaply signed Nurse long term, and yeah sure, they could have made trades to clear some space, but nobody was taking who the fans wanted to move without cap coming back.

This also seems a different situation with the cap expanding by a significant amount in 2 years after being deflated due to pandemic related escrow.

Also vital to get the young talent moving up the roster since the cap crunch to come will only be alleviated by less expensive players replacing players currently on long term contracts with NMCs.
 
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notbias said:
yes, Edmonton has a good PP, no one cares. The issue is he is bad at keeping the puck out of his own net.

His stats will be inflated and he will get a contract that ages as well as Nurse's
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No doubt that Bouchard is going to get a huge contract after that is going to rank as bad as Nurses. Some poor team who needs a offensive Dman is going to be a sucker. Just hope it's not Edmonton, but I can't see how the Oilers can afford him in 2 years.

In the meantime, good thing his partner is Ekholm so he will make Bouchard look a lot better than he really is.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
Come on...we know you have a little bias toward EDM but Bouchard definitely has more upside than Barrie and probably is already better than he was...

I think a realistic comp for him could be John Carlson.
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Barrie was already a 50pt player at the same stage of their careers. Thinking that Bouchard could become a John Carlson type is a HUGE leap above what he actually looks like., not often do players change that drastically.

Bouchard isn't a bad player, but he is what he is. 3.9x2 is a perfect contract for where he is and what he will be tasked to do for Edmonton. If he doesn't improve defensively but becomes a great offensive player who wants to moon because of inflated PP points, you ship him out and get the next lackey to fill his position (Like an Edmonton fan already stated in this thread).
 
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Small bump for signing after Byram and K Miller to essentially the same contract.

Seems fair for player and team.

Will be very fun to track these three to see who gets the best deal two summers from now.

Congratulations to Bouchard on the pay raise. He earned it.
 
Three On Zero said:
Barrie was already a 50pt player at the same stage of their careers. Barrie also hit 50 points while only putting up 2 points on the PP. Thinking that Bouchard could become a John Carlson type is a HUGE leap above what he actually looks like., not often do players change that drastically.

Bouchard isn't a bad player, but he is what he is. 3.9x2 is a perfect contract for where he is and what he will be tasked to do for Edmonton. If he doesn't improve defensively but becomes a great offensive player who wants to moon because of inflated PP points, you ship him out and get the next lackey to fill his position (Like an Edmonton fan already stated in this thread).
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Tyson Barrie’s first 50 point season he had 16 points on the PP. Maybe you were just looking at goals.
 
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Barrie was already a 50pt player at the same stage of their careers. Barrie also hit 50 points while only putting up 2 points on the PP. Thinking that Bouchard could become a John Carlson type is a HUGE leap above what he actually looks like., not often do players change that drastically.

Bouchard isn't a bad player, but he is what he is. 3.9x2 is a perfect contract for where he is and what he will be tasked to do for Edmonton. If he doesn't improve defensively but becomes a great offensive player who wants to moon because of inflated PP points, you ship him out and get the next lackey to fill his position (Like an Edmonton fan already stated in this thread).
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Bouchard needs to add some muscle if he wants to become much better defensively. He's always getting overpowered by the opposition. He's the modern day Marc Andre Bergeron. Smooth puck mover but needs a strong D partner to hold his ground.
 
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notbias said:
His ES numbers are great? He is 31st 5v5 while mostly playing with Drai, McDavid, and Hyman.

Bouchard had 25 points in 82 games at 5v5.

Gustaffson put up 1 point less in 12 less games at 5v5.

Sandin put up 2 point less in 11 less games at 5v5.

He also has a high amount of secondary assists (assuming this has to do with who he plays with).

Oleksiak, Mayfield, and Maata all have more primary points at 5v5.

He's good offensively but is not doing anything special, hence the cap hit.

Also, his defensive numbers are propped up by not taking penalties, and not much else.

The easy deployment and low defensive impact don't look great.
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We can disagree but 31st in a 32 team league is great (unless you are a goalie.lol).
 
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