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Series Talk: ECSF: (A1)Toronto Maple Leafs vs (A3)Florida Panthers - (Series tied 3-3) Part 2

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Why are they worse ? Injury perhaps but on paper they actually look better
they are struggling mightily with a Toronto team that has not impressed and required 6 games and 3 OTs for the Senators. a post from needing a game 7 coin flip. whereas last year they bulldozed everyone on their way to the finals.
 
they are struggling mightily with a Toronto team that has not impressed and required 6 games and 3 OTs for the Senators. a post from needing a game 7 coin flip. whereas last year they bulldozed everyone on their way to the finals.
Maybe Toronto improved ? They won the division after all … I feel this is the narrative developing … no one gave them a chance to start the series now they aren’t getting credit for staying w the cup champs and “ Florida has obviously regressed because of x (despite adding Jones and Marchy )”
 
Maybe Toronto improved ? They won the division after all … I feel this is the narrative developing … no one gave them a chance to start the series now they aren’t getting credit for staying w the cup champs and “ Florida has obviously regressed because of x (despite adding Jones and Marchy )”
Toronto played a tight series against the Senators. I guarantee that the team that ends up winning the cup would have swept the Senators.
 
they are struggling mightily with a Toronto team that has not impressed and required 6 games and 3 OTs for the Senators. a post from needing a game 7 coin flip. whereas last year they bulldozed everyone on their way to the finals.
Leafs are better than last year's Bruins and Rangers and Ottawa had good defensive metrics all year and the leafs were very close to sweeping them......
 
I guarantee you’re probably wrong.
to guarantee a probably is to guarantee nothing at all
Leafs are better than last year's Bruins and Rangers and Ottawa had good defensive metrics all year and the leafs were very close to sweeping them......
Leafs aren't an elite team. they have no bottom sixth scoring and their defense isn't that strong either. they aren't built like a titan that would have swept the Senators, hence they needed 3 OTs in a tight 6 game series
 
Leafs are better than last year's Bruins and Rangers and Ottawa had good defensive metrics all year and the leafs were very close to sweeping them......
Ya if leafs win all 3 OT games it’s a sweep, if Sens win all 3 0T games, Sens win the series in 5.
 
I think whoever wins tomorrow should be considered the favorite to win the Cup. I know the Leafs had made some conference finals in the Sundin era but this feels like the biggest game for the team since the Game 7 Conference Final against Gretzky. Whole future of the team hangs in the balance of the result. I have no idea who will win and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to themselves. The whole series has been unpredictable.
Can't truly know until they play......

Feel like trends and narratives have to change at some point though........Can't just be losing game 7 , losing to Marchand and all the same criticism's that go's with it for eternity..........Then again that way of thinking hasn't exactly worked for my Brother's Bills against the Chiefs in recent years.........

We'll see tomorrow night....
 
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to guarantee a probably is to guarantee nothing at all

Leafs aren't an elite team. they have no bottom sixth scoring and their defense isn't that strong either. they aren't built like a titan that would have swept the Senators, hence they needed 3 OTs in a tight 6 game series
One of only 6 teams left and taking the team that stylistically gives them a matchup headache to 7 games ....... I think they're doing just fine......
 
One of only 6 teams left and taking the team that stylistically gives them a matchup headache to 7 games ....... I think they're doing just fine......
perhaps, I just don't see it that way because of first series + the fact that Toronto's roster isn't even elite since Matthews doesn't perform and regresses into a 7M/y 30 goal guy. It's basically Marner + Nylander + 35 year old Tavares and no standout defensemen. That's a far cry from a juggernaut that would have taken last year's Florida team to 7 games, further than any Eastern team did that year
 
What are the numbers like if you eliminate putrid Columbus teams ? Listen I’m not saying he’s amazing but he’s led them to 2 straight cup appearances ( and a win ) . I desperately hope I’m wrong as this Leaf fan is due for some good luck
That's a great question and definitely an impact to consider. Let's take his two most recent elimination games. 8.11 ga 742sv% and 1.00ga 958sv%. One in the Vegas finals the other against Edmonton. Those were the last elimination games played. Last year they let Edmonton force a game 7 from 3-0 and under that pressure he did extremely well. In the end, who knows. Only know once the game is over which goalie came up clutch.
 
Toronto played a tight series against the Senators. I guarantee that the team that ends up winning the cup would have swept the Senators.
Has there been any sweeps so far this post seasom? Sens are much better than you give them credit for( actually very close to Florida regular season point total ; albeit w injuries ) . Shouldn’t Florida be dog walking Toronto if they are such a layup ?
 
Has there been any sweeps so far this post seasom? Sens are much better than you give them credit for( actually very close to Florida regular season point total ; albeit w injuries ) . Shouldn’t Florida be dog walking Toronto if they are such a layup ?
as I said, Florida is no titan this year
 
they are struggling mightily with a Toronto team that has not impressed and required 6 games and 3 OTs for the Senators. a post from needing a game 7 coin flip. whereas last year they bulldozed everyone on their way to the finals.
1.They're worse than last year
2.They're more tired/injured than last year
3.Toronto is better than last year
4.The original series that looked like a cakewalk was a lot tighter than people remember, they won 3 games by 1 goal, 1 in ot and 1 by 2 goals
 
1.They're worse than last year
2.They're more tired/injured than last year
3.Toronto is better than last year
4.The original series that looked like a cakewalk was a lot tighter than people remember, they won 3 games by 1 goal, 1 in ot and 1 by 2 goals
agreed
 
perhaps, I just don't see it that way because of first series + the fact that Toronto's roster isn't even elite since Matthews doesn't perform and regresses into a 7M/y 30 goal guy. It's basically Marner + Nylander + 35 year old Tavares and no standout defensemen. That's a far cry from a juggernaut that would have taken last year's Florida team to 7 games, further than any Eastern team did that year
Is a d corps with Tanev , McCabe , Rielly , Carlo, OEL and Benoit really a weakness ? Yeesh . Pretty solid group
 
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Is a d corps with Tanev , McCabe , Rielly , Carlo, OEL and Benoit really a weakness ? Yeesh . Pretty solid group
it's good but there are no stand out D. with Matthews' annual regression, they still have a good top six but zero depth scoring, last year's Florida team would have been way too strong for this Leaf's roster. last year's Florida team won the cup. you can't really believe that this Leaf's roster would have taken last year's cup winners to 7
 
it's good but there are no stand out D. with Matthews' annual regression, they still have a good top six but zero depth scoring, last year's Florida team would have been way too strong for this Leaf's roster. last year's Florida team won the cup. you can't really believe that this Leaf's roster would have taken last year's cup winners to 7
I’d argue Tanev is one of the best defensive d men in the league .. he’s an offensive black whole but defensively he certainly qualifies. Anyway guess we’ll see . I’m just anticipating lots of coping if the upset happens ( and tons of trolling conversely if Toronto loses another game 7 ) .
 
it's good but there are no stand out D. with Matthews' annual regression, they still have a good top six but zero depth scoring, last year's Florida team would have been way too strong for this Leaf's roster. last year's Florida team won the cup. you can't really believe that this Leaf's roster would have taken last year's cup winners to 7
Ah yes, I should have known the Leafs have no defenseman on their team right now that can match up with defensive juggernauts Cody Ceci and Darnell Nurse.
 
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I’d argue Tanev is one of the best defensive d men in the league .. he’s an offensive black whole but defensively he certainly qualifies. Anyway guess we’ll see . I’m just anticipating lots of coping if the upset happens ( and tons of trolling conversely if Toronto loses another game 7 ) .
he definitely is, but he's still just a 4.5m d-man, he's not going to give you prototypical cup winning 1D impact
Ah yes, I should have known the Leafs have no defenseman on their team right now that can match up with defensive juggernauts Cody Ceci and Darnell Nurse.
it's not just straight up D vs D. it's the overall weakness of the Leaf's roster which includes their D and a total black hole of forward depth. that's too much for Nylander and a 180lb Marner to overcome on a deep run
 
Everyone is going goalie this or goalie that...I think it comes down to Matthew vs Matthews

Who will lead their team to a W
 
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If the panthers lose, its because they're banged up and just not playing up to par to their standards.

If the leafs win, its because we're lucky and the panthers gave it to us :laugh:
 
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