Earth Temperature Timeline
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PositiveCashFlow
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Sharpshooter
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You'll still suffer from the effects as temperatures rise over the next 50+ years.
Also, when the brunt of the impact hits, you'll be old and less capable of dealing with the problems that arise because of climate change's impact on agriculture, the economy, real estate, migration, weather, etc, etc.
Young people who don't care today, are going to be the one's hit hardest down the line. It's the older folks of today that will die early and not see the true effects of their stupidity, but leave their kids and grandkids to suffer while cleaning up their mess.
BackToTheBrierePatch
Eff Cancer
there are so many reasons why I feel bad for the real young kids today. This is just one of them.
It's sad that people produce factually incorrect propaganda like this and that so many others simply accept it and use it to confirm their beliefs without doing any research. Even the IPCC, in its 2013 report, acknowledged that global warming has been on "hiatus" since 1998 and that every model failed to predict it, yet you see this comic (which uses sources from 2013) show a massive relative temperature increase since then. Furthermore, whenever a graph adds a long length of dotted projection line, it's a clear tip-off that there's an agenda behind the graph and to take it all with a huge grain of salt. I suggest that people do their own research, rather than settle for getting their information from "picture book" sources that are obviously trying to lead you to a conclusion and an emotional reaction.
Pharrell Williams
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The Head Crusher
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yukoner88
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Uh, 1998 was just one year, an outlier, backed by a unusually powerful El Nino, you can't use that as proof in a running-mean.
It also seems rather odd to compare one year to a whole period, especially when you try to make a point about doing things properly and not using propaganda. 1998 was a peak year, as mentioned above caused by a very powerful El Nino. The 5 year running-mean around the 1998 period was quite a bit below any of the current ones. While many years of the 00 decade stayed flat at that level, that is still equal to the anomaly that was 1998. If regular / La Nina years are as hot as an El Nino year, things have changed. And there have been plenty of years that trend towards La Nina or were actual La Ninas right were the flat part of the graph exists, with 2007 to 2014 being pretty much constantly on the "negative" side, apart from 2010, which happened to be where a moderate El Nino hit, which promptly caused the hottest year on record.
This has become even more true now that the latest El Nino has hit. 2014 was already the hottest year since measurements have started, with a sizeable increase over 2013. 2015 saw a significant bump over 2014, comparable to the bump 1998 had over 1997. 2016 so far has stayed ahead of 2015 every month, meaning it isn't going to suddenly drop far below that year again. The following La Nina should cause a temporary cooling again, but if things happen the same way like after the last big El Ninos, then after a short cooling the temperature would balance at the level of the last El Nino, until the next big one hits. Instead of a constant increase you would have a bump, followed by a few years of staying relatively flat, followed by the next bump. That is still an increase over time, even if you get periods where the temperature seems to stay flat.
If you take a look at the 5 year running-mean, you can see that it rose about the same amount between the very strong 1982/83 El Nino and the very strong 1998 one as it did/will between the 1998 one and the very strong El Nino of 2015/16. Even more surprising, considering that the latter period was rather weak on El Ninos in between.
So while the models weren't really capable of getting things done correctly, stating that there hasn't been any warming recently has turned out to be equally wrong.
