Salary Cap: Dylan McIlrath

[SupersonicMonkey*]

You're not replacing Stralman with McIlrath. You're be replacing Stralman with Klein.

So downgrade in both spots.

And, you want John Moore to play with McIlrath? That would be a disaster.

Or, are both Moore and Klein moving up to the 2nd pair and Staal moving down to play with McIlrath? In which case, you let Stralman walk over a couple hundred grand and a couple of years and then demoted Staal who will demand 6 million on his next contract.

Moves have consequences. It's not as simple as "Klein replaces Stralman".

Also, you remove Stralman and replace him with McIlrath, because despite what you say that is exactly what it is, you are making the defense considerably less mobile in a system that is designed for quick transition, speed, and puck possession (Stralman also happens to be a higher-end possession player).

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

We should wish the issue away and trust your glowing assessments of his Hartford play, I suppose.

Fact of the matter is, if McIlrath was ready now - 4 years after he was drafted, it would make the Stralman situation a bit easier to deal with. But since McIlrath isn't ready to slot into the 3rd pair to start the season, the whole issues becomes that much murkier. It is what it is, and it'll continue to be discussed whether you like it or not.

You've done it, BRB. You've managed to somehow imply that the distrust you have (derived from a gut feeling) is more credible than the board's most frequent and dedicated viewer on the subject.

Kudos.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You've done it, BRB. You've managed to somehow imply that the distrust you have (derived from a gut feeling) is more credible than the board's most frequent and dedicated viewer on the subject.

Kudos.

When I never ever see a negative assessment of a prospect here, you'll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical on the subject.

 

[Tawnos]

You've done it, BRB. You've managed to somehow imply that the distrust you have (derived from a gut feeling) is more credible than the board's most frequent and dedicated viewer on the subject.

Kudos.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the stance that no player is ready until that player is ready. We've all been disappointed on enough prospects in our years. Hell, even what happened with Tomas Kloucek still hurts me.

 

[Raspewtin]

We should wish the issue away and trust your glowing assessments of his Hartford play, I suppose.

As opposed to taking 14 minutes of THE WORST PLAYING TIME IN NHL HISTORY as a direct indication of his potential, I suppose.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

As opposed to taking 14 minutes of THE WORST PLAYING TIME IN NHL HISTORY as a direct indication of his potential, I suppose.

+ the issue that organization doesn't seem like its seriously considering McIlrath for an NHL spot anytime soon.

That doesn't really bother me. When hes ready, hes ready.

The difference is I dont pretend to know what Im talking about when it comes to prospects. I do know he hasn't come particularly close to locking down a roster spot 4 years after being drafted.

 

[Raspewtin]

+ the issue that organization doesn't seem like its seriously considering McIlrath for an NHL spot anytime soon.

That doesn't really bother me. When hes ready, hes ready.

The difference is I dont pretend to know what Im talking about when it comes to prospects. I do know he hasn't come particularly close to locking down a roster spot 4 years after being drafted.

That's a little insulting to Beacon, no? He might sugarcoat things a bit but he knows a lot about Hartford and its players.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

When I never ever see a negative assessment of a prospect here, you'll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical on the subject.

Somehow, this seems like failed logic.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

That's a little insulting to Beacon, no? He might sugarcoat things a bit but he knows a lot about Hartford and its players.

I dont think so.

I think the "Shutup about it, hes doing well in Hartford" response is pretty insulting.

 

[Miamipuck]

Just to clarify, BRB you're saying you never see anything negative about Dylan McIlrath? All the reports are glowing? lol ok

 

[chosen]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the stance that no player is ready until that player is ready. We've all been disappointed on enough prospects in our years. Hell, even what happened with Tomas Kloucek still hurts me.

Kloucek was the most wrong I have ever been on a Ranger. I thought he would be a rock for ten years.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Just to clarify, BRB you're saying you never see anything negative about Dylan McIlrath? All the reports are glowing? lol ok

I see people that are frustrated that a top 10 pick not only isn't here, but really isn't knocking down the door for a roster spot.

The glowing reports are from either the wild optimists or the people that frame themselves as minor league experts - these folks are like the boy who cried wolf.

 

[chosen]

No idea how Mcilrath will turn out but in a league moving towards speed, hearing that he has balance issues is disconcerting.

And I couldn't give a flying **** if he is a good fighter.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Kloucek was the most wrong I have ever been on a Ranger. I thought he would be a rock for ten years.

He was fun to watch.

Unfortunately his game was pretty reckless and injuries wound up wrecking him.

 

[Tawnos]

Kloucek was the most wrong I have ever been on a Ranger. I thought he would be a rock for ten years.

He would have been. Tearing your ACL and MCL at the same time could destroy anyone's career.

 

[AHB*]

he'll be on the roster next season

Where do you get this idea? I don't think he makes the roster next year. Year after next, maybe.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Where do you get this idea? I don't think he makes the roster next year. Year after next, maybe.

I think he's going to make the roster next year. Maybe not on the offset, but he'll either be the consistent 7th defenseman who comes in when someone gets injured every now and again or he'll be our 6th defender at some point.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

So downgrade in both spots.

A marginal downgrade from Stralman to Klein. You're the one who thinks that McIrath is the only option to then replace Klein. I never said that.

And, you want John Moore to play with McIlrath? That would be a disaster.

Again, don't put your words in my mouth.

Or, are both Moore and Klein moving up to the 2nd pair and Staal moving down to play with McIlrath? In which case, you let Stralman walk over a couple hundred grand and a couple of years and then demoted Staal who will demand 6 million on his next contract.

I'm not the one penciling McIrath in. You are.

Moves have consequences. It's not as simple as "Klein replaces Stralman".

It's a lot simpler than saying: "Replacing Stralman with McIlrath would be brutal." For that matter, saying that "Klein would be replacing Stralman" doesn't say that "McIrath would replace Klein." You did that.

Also, you remove Stralman and replace him with McIlrath, because despite what you say that is exactly what it is, you are making the defense considerably less mobile in a system that is designed for quick transition, speed, and puck possession (Stralman also happens to be a higher-end possession player).

For the umpteenth time, I'm not the one removing Stralman and replacing him with McIrath. You are.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think he's going to make the roster next year. Maybe not on the offset, but he'll either be the consistent 7th defenseman who comes in when someone gets injured every now and again or he'll be our 6th defender at some point.

Being a 7th D-man does virtually nothing for his development. What a strange thing to hope for.

 

[SlingshotVv]

So downgrade in both spots.

And, you want John Moore to play with McIlrath? That would be a disaster.

Or, are both Moore and Klein moving up to the 2nd pair and Staal moving down to play with McIlrath? In which case, you let Stralman walk over a couple hundred grand and a couple of years and then demoted Staal who will demand 6 million on his next contract.

Moves have consequences. It's not as simple as "Klein replaces Stralman".

Also, you remove Stralman and replace him with McIlrath, because despite what you say that is exactly what it is, you are making the defense considerably less mobile in a system that is designed for quick transition, speed, and puck possession (Stralman also happens to be a higher-end possession player).

And when Stralman was invited to camp I'm sure you weren't among those saying if he makes the team we're in trouble and if he's in the top 4 it's a disaster. Because you definitely don't seem like the type to have said that.

I'm also sure replacing Stralman with Klein and Klein with McIlrath makes us lottery bound.

 

[Miamipuck]

Meh all this nonsense, DM is right where he needs to be in his development curve, especially for the type of player he is. Over the course of years I have been watching/following hockey, a defenseman takes 4-5 years to develop, many times longer. Nevermind, that we all knew he was a gigantic defensive defenseman that needed time when he was drafted.

This isn't any different than taking a kid that's going to NCAA and he spends 4 years and a year at the AHL level to develop. If he is 25 and can't crack the lineup, that's another story.

 

[chosen]

He was fun to watch.

Unfortunately his game was pretty reckless and injuries wound up wrecking him.

He was a good skater and a dominant body checker.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

He was fun to watch.

Unfortunately his game was pretty reckless and injuries wound up wrecking him.

Should have traded for Kristian Kudroc when they had the chance.

 

[chosen]

Meh all this nonsense, DM is right where he needs to be in his development curve, especially for the type of player he is. Over the course of years I have been watching/following hockey, a defenseman takes 4-5 years to develop, many times longer. Nevermind, that we all knew he was a gigantic defensive defenseman that needed time when he was drafted.

This isn't any different than taking a kid that's going to NCAA and he spends 4 years and a year at the AHL level to develop. If he is 25 and can't crack the lineup, that's another story.

I disagree.

It used to be that defensemen almost universally took years to make it. Lots of defensemen are making it to the NHL pretty quickly now. There are lots of young defensemen currently on NHL rosters.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I disagree.

It used to be that defensemen almost universally took years to make it. Lots of defensemen are making it to the NHL pretty quickly now. There are lots of young defensemen currently on NHL rosters.

I think whats also unfortunate is that defensemen like McIlrath are becoming a dying breed in the NHL.

I always see reports that McIlrath is a good skater, but its usually followed with (for a guy thats 6'5''). The NHL, more than ever before, is being tailored towards speed, speed, speed. Couple that with the injuries that have slowed his development, and thats where I worry that the deck is stacked against him.