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Value of: Dylan Larkin

nbwingsfan said:
Unless it’s Fantilli or Weresnki (which you shouldn’t) then nothing makes sense. Picks, prospects, and wingers don’t do anything for us
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My guess is Johnson also isn’t available. Not sure Larkin is way in to Columbus, Werenski and all. My guess is Sillinger, 1st and prospect is the real cost. Larkin is under contract for a while, but we still have to hear grumbles he really wants to waive his protection. But it depend on if he asks and then as Wings fan you hold the offer gets better than this.

I know returns aren’t what everyone wants. Younger top 6 player, first and a prospect you would think is the cost.
 
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Baksfamous112 said:
When did I say that he was going to be PPG next season?? Quote me on it.

I said by year 2 or 3 of the trade Byfield would enter his prime while Larkin will start regressing. I also said that in 2-3 years Byfield will be a better player than Larkin.

Byfield will give you another 8-9 years of prime hockey. Larkin probably 2-3 years. I know who I’m taking and it’s not even close.
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with Larkin skating his decline will starts not so soon. Trading Larkin means no playoffs for couple more years, but After that team will be ready not just for playoffs, but for cup. If you trade Larkin , Cat should be next.
 
The Zetterberg Era said:
My guess is Johnson also isn’t available. Not sure Larkin is way in to Columbus, Werenski and all. My guess is Sillinger, 1st and prospect is the real cost. Larkin is under contract for a while, but we still have to hear grumbles he really wants to waive his protection. But it depend on if he asks and then as Wings fan you hold the offer gets better than this.

I know returns aren’t what everyone wants. Younger top 6 player, first and a prospect you would think is the cost.
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SIllinger + Provorov
 
The Zetterberg Era said:
My guess is Johnson also isn’t available. Not sure Larkin is way in to Columbus, Werenski and all. My guess is Sillinger, 1st and prospect is the real cost. Larkin is under contract for a while, but we still have to hear grumbles he really wants to waive his protection. But it depend on if he asks and then as Wings fan you hold the offer gets better than this.

I know returns aren’t what everyone wants. Younger top 6 player, first and a prospect you would think is the cost.
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Sure if he demands a trade and we’re absolutely forced to then a trade like that is likely what we’re looking at.

I’m just running on the assumption this isn’t a “demands a trade thing” rather than a Yzerman wants to move on this, which in that case only really makes sense to move him with an already semi established 2C with 1C potential or top 4 LD with top pair potential
 
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nbwingsfan said:
Just because he’s “entering his prime” doesn’t mean he’s actually going to be any better. He’s been a big disappointment compared to where he was supposed to be by now.

Can guarantee if I said entering his D+ 6 his career high would be 55pts and That he would have been out scored by like 9 players in his draft already I would have been accused of trolling.
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So by your logic you should trade Kasper for Horvat to get better next year and finally have a chance to make the playoff? Because obviously Horvat will be better next year.
lilidk said:
with Larkin skating his decline will starts not so soon. Trading Larkin means no playoffs for couple more years, but After that team will be ready not just for playoffs, but for cup. If you trade Larkin , Cat should be next.
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You don’t know that. Larkin is at an age (give or take a year) where hockey players start slowly declining. Usually hands and speed are the first thing to go.
 
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What Detroit would be looking for??

Start a rebuild around Raymond, Edvinsson and Seidel, so they need picks and prospects?? Or they prefer a hockey deal?
 
Baksfamous112 said:
So by your logic you should trade Kasper for Horvat to get better next year and finally have a chance to make the playoff? Because obviously Horvat will be better next year.

You don’t know that. Larkin is at an age (give or take a year) where hockey players start slowly declining. Usually hands and speed are the first thing to go.
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I would hope you can see the difference in a 9th overall pick who just played his rookie season versus a 2nd overall pick who’s played in the NHL for 4 seasons now.

But I’m going to guess no.

And to your second point, you can say “you don’t know” that Larkin will keep up his play, but you can say for certain that Byfield will be better in a year or two?
 
nbwingsfan said:
I would hope you can see the difference in a 9th overall pick who just played his rookie season versus a 2nd overall pick who’s played in the NHL for 4 seasons now.

But I’m going to guess no.

And to your second point, you can say “you don’t know” that Larkin will keep up his play, but you can say for certain that Byfield will be better in a year or two?
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Yet there is only 18 months difference in age between both of them. That’s more of a testament to Byfield’s skillset than anything else.

One has two 50+ points season (55 & 54) and the other one has a career high of 37 points.

You could also say that you don’t know if Byfield would be better in a year or two but the same can be said about Kasper
 
Baksfamous112 said:
Yet there is only 18 months difference in age between both of them. That’s more of a testament to Byfield’s skillset than anything else.

One has two 50+ points season (55 & 54) and the other one has a career high of 37 points.

You could also say that you don’t know if Byfield would be better in a year or two but the same can be said about Kasper
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Once again hoped you’d see the difference between a 9th overall pick in his D+3 is vastly different than a 2nd overall in his D+5 but apparently you cannot.

One is right on schedule, while one is falling behind.
 
Cowumbus said:
What’s it take from the CBJ?
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Cayden Lindstrom could be an interesting starting point. There is a lot of risk in that for both teams though.

Obviously, Lindstrom's ceiling is extremely high so Columbus doesn't like the idea of trading him

On the flip side, I don't think Detroit would have any interest in shipping out a prime aged 1C for a prospect that has played 2 games in the last year and has a significant injury history.
 
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nbwingsfan said:
Once again hoped you’d see the difference between a 9th overall pick in his D+3 is vastly different than a 2nd overall in his D+5 but apparently you cannot.

One is right on schedule, while one is falling behind.
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Who were Byfield's linemates to start the year & lasted about halfway through the season?
 
I have a hard time believing that Larkin being a Michigan native and all would be willing to waive his ntc over a disagreement with Yzerman. I mean, Steve gave him this exact contract, so I'm sure he doesn't think this bad of him. Things would have to get really ugly to get to that point imo.
 
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FriendlyGhost92 said:
People already making jokes about Detroit drafting another low ceiling 200 ft middle six center, a la Kasper/Danielson, but we're OK with trading Larkin for a package centered around Cole Sillinger?

Huh?
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I said I wasn’t real interested in the package CBJ would likely offer. They can probably get a better one. I would also be surprised if he would waive for Columbus.
 
ctmagic said:
Rossi, Ohgren, 1st
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I dunno who you think you are but this is HFBoards. Keep that reasonable shit out of here!

All honesty I don't like it because I'm not high on Rossi as a 1C with his size... But this is good value. Not to mention that 1st rounder would have to be 2026, which sure as hell beats 2025, and I don't see MIN overtaking DAL/COL/WPG in the Central next year.
 
SirloinUB said:
Umm... Getting the player that is better now.

I'm not saying the Kings should make the trade but let's be real, It would be an immediate upgrade to the present Kings roster.
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Is Larkin even better than Byfield right now?

You don't think Byfield can score 70 points playing 1st line role with 1st line PP time in Detroit?

He just scored 55 in LA despite having to cede all the best opportunities to Kopitar.
 
SirloinUB said:
Yes.
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Pretty debatable. I think if they switched roles you wouldn't see much of a difference. Byfield's scoring would go up and Larkin's would go down.

Plus Byfield is substantially cheaper, cost controlled for 5 years, and just entering his prime.

A Larkin for Byfield swap proposal would have the LA GM hanging up the phone.
 
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Bank Shot said:
Pretty debatable. I think if they switched roles you wouldn't see much of a difference. Byfield's scoring would go up and Larkin's would go down.

Plus Byfield is substantially cheaper, cost controlled for 5 years, and just entering his prime.

A Larkin for Byfield swap proposal would have the LA GM hanging up the phone.
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I agree. I think Larkin is a great centre but there's still so much untapped potential in Byfield. Maybe Byfield isn't the same level of scorer as Larkin in the next few seasons, but he might be, and he might be equivalent of $2M less and that'll be better for LA than going with Larkin.

I don't see the Kings trading Byfield for anything other than a player of similar age and potential.
 
Three team deal. Detroit gets Ryan Leonard, Anthony Cirelli, and the rights to Issac Howard. Caps get Dylan Larkin and Michael Rasmussen with 25% retention. Tampa gets Rasmus Sandin, Hendrix Lapierre, 2nd rounder from Detroit, 3rd rounder from Washington
 
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