You're not trading for the whole team, so your questions is irrelevant
Value of: Dylan Larkin
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You're not trading for the whole team, so your questions is irrelevant
norrisnick
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Could just as easily be that both sides don't really see much pressure here. He doesn't want to leave, team doesn't want him to go. They have all year to get it done.
Viqsi
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I offer the following possible factors as to Why Not Yet:
1) There's a lot of up-and-coming youngsters in Detroit that will also need new contracts during Larkin's career and that makes negotiations nontrivial,
2) We're potentially making our way out of a flat cap era (finally!) and that adds another wrinkle.
And the following for Why It Will Eventually Get Done:
1) In the other cases you have cited there were evident potential conflicting loyalties that were merely downplayed. Larkin doesn't have any at all, let alone ones that might be getting dismissed. So the pressure may not actually be there.
2) Historically there are more examples of those guys ultimately getting signed than ultimately leaving.
3) Steve Yzerman. That's it. That's the factor.
I have zero doubt he's staying there. Only scenario in which I do see him leaving is basically the Rick Nash approach - "I've been here for so long and I'd like to chase a cup" - and that only seems likely if, say, Richardson and Seider both completely fall apart and the Wings have to rebuild again. Which I would find extremely unlikely, and which isn't likely to happen before Larkin's signature is on the dotted line in any case.
DarrylshutzSydor
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Completely relevant. Is he that good that he can lead a team to be a winner, or is he just putting up aloyt of points becasue he's getting a lot of ice time on a loser.......
Tyrus
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Ah yes, like all of those other players who somehow put up 40G PPG seasons on bottom feeders and somehow got worse when they were traded to teams with other star players and good systems.
This isn't basketball where players are basically guaranteed to get points by simply spending a lot of time on the floor. There has been a whole lot of garbage teams with top scorers putting up 50-60 points at best.
Pretending that Larkin isn't a fairly dominant offensive player is just showcasing either your lack of knowledge or your lack of honesty.
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norrisnick
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Only winners have good players. Everyone else just has scrubs piling up meaningless points.
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Ryan Strome has been a consistent offensive player his whole career and Dylan Strome had a single outlier season during which he was still far behind his team's top scorer before falling back to Earth way before getting traded.
So I guess it's dishonesty then.
Just last season Lehkonen, Copp, and Rakell all saw their numbers increase after being traded from bad teams to playoff teams at the deadline.
It isn't easier to put up points on a bad team, it's easier to put up points when you play with talented players.
BleedBlue14
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There’s 0 reason for Detroit to consider moving Larkin. They’re trying to take this young core and break out of a rebuild. Trading your best forward who still has many good years ahead of them for anything remotely reasonable just sets them back further.
I’d guess Larkin and Detroit agree on an 8 year deal. If they can’t figure out how to start making playoffs in 3-4 years. It may be a discussion that is worth having.
I’d guess Larkin and Detroit agree on an 8 year deal. If they can’t figure out how to start making playoffs in 3-4 years. It may be a discussion that is worth having.
DarrylshutzSydor
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True, but many players wouldn't even be playing in this talent watered down league.......
norrisnick
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Oh... I see. So Larkin is only in the NHL and producing because he's on a garbage team and wouldn't actually make a good team? Am I interpreting that correctly?
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dirtydanglez
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i guess you didn't read the full post you replied to.
what player who was recently traded would be the best comparable.
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dirtydanglez
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There really isn't a comparable one . Alot of top end centers are very unique. There isn't a comparable for crosby or Mackinnon or Matthews Obviously. Larkin is a skilled center, 2 way capable captain and traditionally on a weak team.
Eichel isn't the same.
Having said that his value now is significantly higher than when kadri was traded by Toronto.
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Personally I think he is worth 9 million AAV x 8 years. He is a stud on offense and should get more Selke votes.
General consensus is 1st rounder, Stud C prospect + extra which the wings value Larkin more than these pieces.
General consensus is 1st rounder, Stud C prospect + extra which the wings value Larkin more than these pieces.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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We'll either heavily pursue Bo Horvat or Ryan O'Reilly both will come in much cheaper than what Larkin wants.
This.
Der Jaeger
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I'll play, just to answer the OP's questions. 1 x 1st, 1 x conditional 1st, 2 prospects.
2023 1st
2024 conditional 1st (based on re-signing)
Isak Rosen F
Linus Weissbach F
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Did you see Yzermans presser? While both he and Larkin acknowledged they would like to get a deal done sooner rather than later, it's not out of the realm that it goes late spring into the summer. Both were optimistic that a deal will get done.
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