Player Discussion Dylan Cozens

[coladin]

We need something from him tomorrow.

I know this: that play he made in OT in Game 2, Josh Norris doesn't make that play

 

[StoicSensFan]

We need something from him tomorrow.

I know this: that play he made in OT in Game 2, Josh Norris doesn't make that play

Yeah he couldn't make any plays on injured reserve.

 

[Micklebot]

Sabres fans are saying JBD is better than Jokiharju, so... Let's try to get Perbix.

I've liked what I've seen from Jokiharju in the past, but I don't really see him as an ideal target for our needs regardless of whether or not Sabres fans like JBD better or not.

As for Perbix, I think TBL fans aren't to high on him either, so who knows....

 

[BankStreetParade]

The upside is that Cozens is playing for this team right now, while Norris is nursing yet another injury.

I'm not a big fan of Cozens. He's not a play-driver, his effort level is consistently inconsistent, and he's not a smart hockey player that makes players around him better. But unlike Norris he's playing and that allows Pinto to play the 3C role where he can succeed instead of being forced to play 2C.

I want Cozens tried on the wing next season. Sabres fans were begging the team to try him there for years. Could succeed playing at RW using his size, speed and shot combo.

"yeah he's worse at pretty much everything but he's currently healthy"...is a very bizarre assessment of why this trade was good for us. I could have lived with a Norris trade, understanding the trepidation around his shoulder and health, but it needed to be for a player that was tangibly closer to his impact level than what we got.

I think it's a short-sighted move in the same vein as the Chychrun deal. "We need an RD" - a perfectly understandable sentiment and a very desirable player for us before the season started. Why did we trade a guy with another 10 years in the league ahead of him for a guy who only has a few, at best? While also trading the better overall player. It's not a reflection of Jensen or his play. He's been a very good piece for us but the value we gave up to get him is not in line with who he is as a player.

 

[NyQuil]

Why did we trade a guy with another 10 years in the league ahead of him for a guy who only has a few, at best? While also trading the better overall player. It's not a reflection of Jensen or his play. He's been a very good piece for us but the value we gave up to get him is not in line with who he is as a player.

Chychrun obviously had less value than when we traded for him, because he only had a single season left under contract.

He depreciated basically 50% of the value that he had with us.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we maximized his value, but I also don't think we would have received a windfall.

I could have lived with a Norris trade, understanding the trepidation around his shoulder and health, but it needed to be for a player that was tangibly closer to his impact level than what we got.

I'm amazed we got anyone at all, and that's only because Norris played enough this year to tempt the Sabres.

 

[DueDiligence]

We need something from him tomorrow.

I know this: that play he made in OT in Game 2, Josh Norris doesn't make that play

Josh wouldn't make that play because Josh wouldn't have played at all. He would be injured.

 

[DueDiligence]

I think it's a short-sighted move in the same vein as the Chychrun deal. "We need an RD" - a perfectly understandable sentiment and a very desirable player for us before the season started. Why did we trade a guy with another 10 years in the league ahead of him for a guy who only has a few, at best?

Well the main issue with Chychrun is what happened with the Caps this year. He has a great year gets rewarded with a big contract but will he live up to it? You give him that deal and now you are stuck with him.
And Ottawa could not have 3 D men making $25 million, especially when 2 of them are good not great players.

 

[NyQuil]

Well the main issue with Chychrun is what happened with the Caps this year. He has a great year gets rewarded with a big contract but will he live up to it? You give him that deal and now you are stuck with him.
And Ottawa could not have 3 D men making $25 million, especially when 2 of them are good not great players.

Chychrun was also easier to move than Chabot, especially given recent play prior to Jensen.

 

[Micklebot]

"yeah he's worse at pretty much everything but he's currently healthy"...is a very bizarre assessment of why this trade was good for us. I could have lived with a Norris trade, understanding the trepidation around his shoulder and health, but it needed to be for a player that was tangibly closer to his impact level than what we got.

I mean,

We got a less expensive player
We got a younger player,
We got a bigger, more physical player,
We got a player that historically is healthier, and
We got a 2nd Rd pick

It's not that he's currently healthy either, it's that he's consistently healthy while Norris has been the opposite, though I do believe Norris should improve in that regard moving forward.

It will be interesting to see how Cozens does here moving forward, he paced at around 62 pts as a sen, I think it's plausible that improves on that next year, but not guaranteed.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I mean,

We got a less expensive player
We got a younger player,
We got a bigger, more physical player,
We got a player that historically is healthier, and
We got a 2nd Rd pick

It's not that he's currently healthy either, it's that he's consistently healthy while Norris has been the opposite, though I do believe Norris should improve in that regard moving forward.

It will be interesting to see how Cozens does here moving forward, he paced at around 62 pts as a sen, I think it's plausible that improves on that next year, but not guaranteed.

I mean do you really want me to do the cons part of this list?

 

[Micklebot]

I mean do you really want me to do the cons part of this list?

You kind of already did, "worse at pretty much everything". I thought maybe adding the pros would at least add the veneer of objectivity, but if that's not what you're after, by all means, continue

 

[BankStreetParade]

Well the main issue with Chychrun is what happened with the Caps this year. He has a great year gets rewarded with a big contract but will he live up to it? You give him that deal and now you are stuck with him.
And Ottawa could not have 3 D men making $25 million, especially when 2 of them are good not great players.

I don't believe those were the only 2 options: Keep him and pay him a huge contract or trade him for a short-term RD.

Just to be clear, too, I'm quite happy with how Jensen has played this year. However, it's a short term move as he'll be 35 when next season starts. It's just not good asset management in my books. We could have, and should have, done better with the Chychrun trade.

 

[BankStreetParade]

You kind of already did, "worse at pretty much everything". I thought maybe adding the pros would at least add the veneer of objectivity, but if that's not what you're after, by all means, continue

Sorry, I didn't realize that a player being markedly less impactful than the player we traded for him was without objectivity. Maybe I should have sprinkled in the pros of *checks notes* him being ever so slightly younger and ever so slightly cheaper to make sure the Minister of Information would allow this statement to stand.

 

[GCK]

I’m bullish on Norris but I do the trade 100 out of 100 times. Cozens just needs to get the Buffalo coached out of him. I’ll bet Cozens has had less than 10 practices with the Sens.

 

[Micklebot]

Sorry, I didn't realize that a player being markedly less impactful than the player we traded for him was without objectivity. Maybe I should have sprinkled in the pros of *checks notes* him being ever so slightly younger and ever so slightly cheaper to make sure the Minister of Information would allow this statement to stand.

Now that's the kind of unbiased objectivity your known for, keep it up!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I mean do you really want me to do the cons part of this list?

have at 'er

make sure you include transporting the puck from zone exit to zone entry and driving play... I am interested why you think Norris is better at that

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

1 chance assist for Batherson seems low to me

 

[mjd1001]

Sabres fans are saying JBD is better than Jokiharju, so... Let's try to get Perbix.

I think they must have just been down on Jokiharju because he was there for quite a few years of losing.

I don't think he is great at anything, but he seems pretty solid to me and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I like him for a 2nd or 3rd pair.

 

[mjd1001]

I'm amazed we got anyone at all, and that's only because Norris played enough this year to tempt the Sabres.

You know its an equal trade when:

Buffalo: I can't believe ANYONE took Cozens off of our hands

Ottawa: I am amazed we got anyone at all for Norris.

 

[Micklebot]

1 chance assist for Batherson seems low to me

I'm not sure how they are qualifying a "chance" here, it doesn't align with any of the typical scoring chance or xG data out there.

 

[Ouroboros]

I'm not sure how they are qualifying a "chance" here, it doesn't align with any of the typical scoring chance or xG data out there.

It's manually tracked data by Corey Sznajder.

His breakdown of the series is pretty interesting.

 

[LiseL]

We need something from him tomorrow.

I know this: that play he made in OT in Game 2, Josh Norris doesn't make that play

I also don't think Norris would've lost so may face off draws in the D zone that resulted in goals. Man, he's going to be hard to replace. Missing his clutch too. Just so sad that we had a great player with a bum shoulder.

 

[bert]

Not to sure what to think of him. I like his size. Pretty sure he's been the only guy consistently winning face-offs this post-season. It's clear the Sens need to get bigger and they've upgraded from that standpoint with the Norris-Cozens trade. That being said, he doesn't seem quite as smart as Norris hockey wise. I'm unsure what to think of this trade at this point. Need more time

I guess Norris wouldn't even be playing if he was here so it's a moot point.

The point is a player playing is way better than one that's always injured.

 

[bert]

Cozens is low end 2 C at his best let's not fool ourselves probably will be never more then that our best option Is Pinto taking 2C spot by Merit and improved offensive game.

Well he isnt done developing yet and played at a 60 point pace for the sens since the trade. Staios got him for a guy that is always hurt and has played at a 60 point pace once in his career before all the injuries.

 

[bert]

- Norris had better production numbers at even strength than Cozens did while both were Senators
- Half of Cozens points were on the PP and half of those PP points were in the last 2 games of the season in meaningless games against some diluted lineups (lottery picking Chicago and rest half the team Carolina)
- Norris was one of our best PK'ers, now we have to use Matthew f'n Highmore
- that stellar record to close out the season had more to do with having the easiest schedule in the NHL after the trade deadline then it did by adding Cozens
- Green had Norris out there almost 2 more mins a game then Cozens. That slack has been picked up by Greig because Cozens cannot replace what Norris brought overall

Norris is always injured literally all the time. He had negative trade value. Wanting him on the team is ignoring all logic.