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Hale The Villain said:
I definitely understand why Sabres fans had it out for this guy

Just zero drive and competitiveness. Plays at half speed and kind of has to because he's not a smart player and the game goes too fast for him.

His defensive effort on the OT winner was gross. No idea what he was thinking there.

If some team desperate for a center is willing to pay something for him in the off-season we should seriously consider trading him and getting out of that contract.
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Hard time wrapping my head around anyone watching the two games would have this opinion. Unless their ego needs to defend the previous takes that he isnt good.

He has outplayed his opposition pretty handily from every statistical measure outside of goals and the eye test matches. The o.t goal i am sure he would have liked back but the effort wasnt remotely close to as poor as bathersons.
 
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bert said:
Hard time wrapping my head around anyone watching the two games would have this opinion. Unless their ego needs to defend the previous takes that he isnt good.

He has outplayed his opposition pretty handily from every statistical measure outside of goals and the eye test matches. The o.t goal i am sure he would have liked back but the effort wasnt remotely close to as poor as bathersons.
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Not that's it all on Cozens, but the Leaves have played a relatively easy 2 games and havent been stressed much because they have controlled the center of the ice and for sure the slot.

Cozens has to score, we won't win unless he starts scoring. the heart is there, the effort is there, just need him to be a little bit smarter - and all the forwards for that matter have to get us pucks in better scoring areas and they need to score
 
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bert said:
Hard time wrapping my head around anyone watching the two games would have this opinion. Unless their ego needs to defend the previous takes that he isnt good.

He has outplayed his opposition pretty handily from every statistical measure outside of goals and the eye test matches. The o.t goal i am sure he would have liked back but the effort wasnt remotely close to as poor as bathersons.
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It's based on the 23 games he has played in a Senators uniform thus far, which has been largely a continuation of how he's played in Buffalo.

Not sure why my ego would be involved. I liked the trade when it happened and still do. Getting out of Norris' contract alone was a massive win and getting Buffalo to add a 2nd to Cozens was a coup, but I'm under no illusion that Cozens is likely to be worth his contract going forward.

He's a frustrating player to watch. He reminds me quite a bit of Zibanejad when he was in a Senators uniform.

If Staios can take advantage of some team desperate for a 2C (Vancouver comes to mind) that is willing to trade something decent for Cozens, I'd be all for that, provided we can replace him with a more cost-effective option.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
He's a frustrating player to watch. He reminds me quite a bit of Zibanejad when he was in a Senators uniform.
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I'm fine to hold onto Cozens if his development curve is like Zibby. Zibby might not be a high end 1C, but he's been a legit 1C for most of his time in NYR. The development took a bit of time, but could be much worse.
 
Hale The Villain said:
It's based on the 23 games he has played in a Senators uniform thus far, which has been largely a continuation of how he's played in Buffalo.

Not sure why my ego would be involved. I liked the trade when it happened and still do. Getting out of Norris' contract alone was a massive win and getting Buffalo to add a 2nd to Cozens was a coup, but I'm under no illusion that Cozens is likely to be worth his contract going forward.

He's a frustrating player to watch. He reminds me quite a bit of Zibanejad when he was in a Senators uniform.

If Staios can take advantage of some team desperate for a 2C (Vancouver comes to mind) that is willing to trade something decent for Cozens, I'd be all for that, provided we can replace him with a more cost-effective option.
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His last two seasons while in Buffalo, he's paced as a 45 pts player, while here he's paced at 63 pts. Yes, there are elements to his game that have persisted from Buffalo to here, but if he was producing in Buffalo the way he has here, they wouldn't have traded him.

I think the Zibanejad comparison isn't a bad one, both guys traded in their 23 year old season (Zibanejad prior to it starting, Cozens at the deadline). When Zibanejad first arrived in NY, he basically carried on at the same level of production we got out of him here for the first two seasons, it wasn't an instant switch. Cozens, like Zibanejad, will take some time to adjust, and hopefully like Zibanejad, will reach his full potential in a year or two.

I think it would be a bit mistake to trade him, especially the way the cap is going.
 
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I've really liked Cozen's game. He seems to have fit in perfectly with this core.
My only gripe is that every now and then, him and Bath don't backcheck as hard as they should and it almost always leads to a scoring chance against. But it might also be due to having a such a good/tough cycle game in the offensive zone and maybe they end up getting a bit gassed?
Dunno, but that's my only gripe. Maybe they need to throw a really fast defensively minded forward on that line with those two. Otherwise, I'm really happy with Cozens.
 
Micklebot said:
I think the Zibanejad comparison isn't a bad one, both guys traded in their 23 year old season (Zibanejad prior to it starting, Cozens at the deadline). When Zibanejad first arrived in NY, he basically carried on at the same level of production we got out of him here for the first two seasons, it wasn't an instant switch. Cozens, like Zibanejad, will take some time to adjust, and hopefully like Zibanejad, will reach his full potential in a year or two.
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Incoming 30g season next year or the year after
 
Micklebot said:
His last two seasons while in Buffalo, he's paced as a 45 pts player, while here he's paced at 63 pts. Yes, there are elements to his game that have persisted from Buffalo to here, but if he was producing in Buffalo the way he has here, they wouldn't have traded him.

I think the Zibanejad comparison isn't a bad one, both guys traded in their 23 year old season (Zibanejad prior to it starting, Cozens at the deadline). When Zibanejad first arrived in NY, he basically carried on at the same level of production we got out of him here for the first two seasons, it wasn't an instant switch. Cozens, like Zibanejad, will take some time to adjust, and hopefully like Zibanejad, will reach his full potential in a year or two.

I think it would be a bit mistake to trade him, especially the way the cap is going.
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I know it's nitpicking, but before the 3 point outing against Carolina's B-squad he had 13 points in 21 games, which is more of what I expect out of him going forward - about 50P/82GP.

Cozens and Zibanejad is a comparable as far as size, speed, balance (or lack thereof) and lack of drive, but I don't think Cozens will ever produce the numbers Zibanejad did in his prime.

Zibanejad shoots the puck harder than 99% of NHLers. Cozens has a hard shot but it's not in the same tier. He also doesn't have the same kind of smarts or vision, which is why I feel confident we're never going to see PPG seasons from Cozens in the future.
 
Norris was always the better player and incredibly good defensively, Cozens was always a downgrade no matter what he did 2 years ago. The difference being is that we have Cozens and Zetterlund in the lineup tonight vs Gregor and Ostapchuk because Norris would be out.

Cozens brings more physicality than Norris, but that's about it. He's a decent middle 6 forward, but he's not that intelligent on the ice at times and it really shows when he's off his game. And yeah there's been some chemistry with Batherson, but Batherson can suffer from the same brain farts so when they fart together it can get nasty.

If we kept Norris, he stayed healthy, and somehow managed to still add Zetterlund, there's no doubt this team would be in a better position right now. Sucks that money was the driving force here
 
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SlapJack said:
Norris was always the better player and incredibly good defensively, Cozens was always a downgrade no matter what he did 2 years ago. The difference being is that we have Cozens and Zetterlund in the lineup tonight vs Gregor and Ostapchuk because Norris would be out.

Cozens brings more physicality than Norris, but that's about it. He's a decent middle 6 forward, but he's not that intelligent on the ice at times and it really shows when he's off his game. And yeah there's been some chemistry with Batherson, but Batherson can suffer from the same brain farts so when they fart together it can get nasty.

If we kept Norris, he stayed healthy, and somehow managed to still add Zetterlund, there's no doubt this team would be in a better position right now. Sucks that money was the driving force here
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I don't see what Norris has done to be considered the better player than Cozens. Cozens has better 5v5 numbers, and when he joined us he

A. Helped Batherson elevate his play
B. Gave us one of the best records in the NHL from March onwards.

Norris is better defensively and has a better slap shot, but Cozens is overall more effective.
 
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Wallet Inspector said:
I don't see what Norris has done to be considered the better player than Cozens. Cozens has better 5v5 numbers, and when he joined us he

A. Helped Batherson elevate his play
B. Gave us one of the best records in the NHL from March onwards.

Norris is better defensively and has a better slap shot, but Cozens is overall more effective.
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- Norris had better production numbers at even strength than Cozens did while both were Senators
- Half of Cozens points were on the PP and half of those PP points were in the last 2 games of the season in meaningless games against some diluted lineups (lottery picking Chicago and rest half the team Carolina)
- Norris was one of our best PK'ers, now we have to use Matthew f'n Highmore
- that stellar record to close out the season had more to do with having the easiest schedule in the NHL after the trade deadline then it did by adding Cozens
- Green had Norris out there almost 2 more mins a game then Cozens. That slack has been picked up by Greig because Cozens cannot replace what Norris brought overall
 
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SlapJack said:
- Norris had better production numbers at even strength than Cozens did while both were Senators
- Half of Cozens points were on the PP and half of those PP points were in the last 2 games of the season in meaningless games against some diluted lineups (lottery picking Chicago and rest half the team Carolina)
- Norris was one of our best PK'ers, now we have to use Matthew f'n Highmore
- that stellar record to close out the season had more to do with having the easiest schedule in the NHL after the trade deadline then it did by adding Cozens
- Green had Norris out there almost 2 more mins a game then Cozens. That slack has been picked up by Greig because Cozens cannot replace what Norris brought overall
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Norris had 18 even-strength points in 53 games this year (28 EVP/82 GP)
Cozens had 8 even-strength points in 21 games as a Senator (31 EVP/82 GP)

If you go back over the last 3 years though, even-strength production is heavily tilted in Cozens' favor.

Norris had 38 even-strength points in 111 games (28 EVP/82GP) while Cozens had 108 even-strength points in 221 games (40 EVP/82 GP).

No doubt the Senators downgraded defensively, but they upgraded offensively, got bigger, and shed ~800k per season and a big injury risk.

Keep in mind that Cozens had to jump on a moving train, which is never easy for a player. There's been some ups and downs so far, but it's best to reserve judgement until after he has a training camp with this coach and team and plays a full season.
 
Norris vs. Cozens is a boring debate at this point. They are both better than average NHL players that are overpaid at this point in time. Norris is a health risk. I don't see Norris being a difference maker in this playoff series, at all. Cozens hasn't been either, though he's also not hurting them. If Norris isn't even playing because he's injured then he's really not helping.

Cozens thus far looks like a solid player, decent both ways, limited offensive upside but not bad. I don't see any flashes reminiscent of Zbad. He strikes me more as a guy in your bottom 6 that'll never be mistaken for a guy in your top 3. It is what it is. It'll probably be easier to trade him in the future compared to Norris if worst comes to worst.

Paying a guy $7M to kill penalties is also not a good reason to keep someone.
 
Cozens/Norris trade reminds me of Gratton/Briere.

Sabres will get the best of the deal a few years from now IMO.

Injuries are random and both players should be healthy in October 2025.
 
Felt we lost an element of clutchiness when we traded Norris - only way for Cosens to claim that mantle is to come through tonight. Clutchiness the most respected quality of any athlete - keys see if Cosens has it
 
Dylan Cozen's WAR:
20-21: -0.3
21-22: 0.1
22-23: 2.1
23-24: 0.3
24-25: -0.7

Mika Zibanejad WAR:
11-12: -0.3
12-13: 0.6
13-14: 1.3
14-15: 2.4
15-16: 1.6
16-17: 1.9
17-18: 3.4
18-19: 2.3
19-20: 4.3
20-21: 1.2
21-22: 3.0
22-23: 3.6
23-24: 1.5
24-25: 0.9

With Zibaenjad, we can clearly see a rise (11-15), prime (13-24), peak (17-20 | 17-23), and now the probable fall (23-X). That is not the same for Cozens. It's four years of the same and one random spike due to SH%. We can hope or think he can improve, but I am not sure I would put money on that bet, and I don't see how he is comparable to Zibanejad both from the eye-test POV and stats POV.
 
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czechcanadian said:
Would have liked to see him score on that breakaway and make it 2-0. gotta believe we win the game in that case.
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That was big. He seemed uncertain of what he was going to do. I would have liked to see him just rip it.

That said, we haven't scored on a clean look outside of Brady and that wasn't really expected.

We are so close and with just a few bounces or different fortune, this series is different.
 
Cozens is low end 2 C at his best let's not fool ourselves probably will be never more then that our best option Is Pinto taking 2C spot by Merit and improved offensive game.
 
Not to sure what to think of him. I like his size. Pretty sure he's been the only guy consistently winning face-offs this post-season. It's clear the Sens need to get bigger and they've upgraded from that standpoint with the Norris-Cozens trade. That being said, he doesn't seem quite as smart as Norris hockey wise. I'm unsure what to think of this trade at this point. Need more time

I guess Norris wouldn't even be playing if he was here so it's a moot point.
 
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