Kings Article: Dustin Brown Must Rise Above LA Kings Captaincy Fiasc

[FrozenRoyalty]

Forgot to post my second column on the Dustin Brown saga...

Dustin Brown Must Rise Above LA Kings Captaincy Fiasco

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[King'sPawn]

FWIW, I like this article a lot more. It had the same information, but your interpretation and spin on it is a lot more balanced.

 

[no name]

Less sensational thoughts but equally poor title. Fiasco? Come on man.

 

[Trolfoli]

Less sensational thoughts but equally poor title. Fiasco? Come on man.

Yeah.... the fiasco is Brown's play, or if he were left as the captain and the Kings ended up benching their captain next year. That would be a fiasco.

 

[damacles1156]

Brown is still a very good bottom six player.

No idea why people think he has reached Mike Richards level. Brown is not even close to that.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Brown is still a very good bottom six player.

No idea why people think he has reached Mike Richards level. Brown is not even close to that.

What makes him a very good bottom six player?

Doesn't seem to me that he makes things difficult for opponents, all he does is take shots from the outside, doesn't drive the net, and his hits tend to come after the puck has exited the opponents' end of the ice.

He's become the winger version of Jarret Stoll, even going as far as replacing Stoll's stupid offensive zone penalties.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Brown is still a very good bottom six player.

No idea why people think he has reached Mike Richards level. Brown is not even close to that.

This, this soooo much.

No one in their right mind disagrees that we don't want more out of him, but he's far from the worst contract in the NHL, even if he doesn't improve. Though again, all signs point to improvement, which is more than what can be said for other terrible contract. Love that the main board and others go "lol Brown worst contract in the league AINEC" when you have slugs like Clarkson--5.25 million for 7 years--scoring 4 points and being a REAL black hole of possession--and Dave Bolland--5.5 million for 5 years--scoring 5 points and hasn't really done anything positive for his teams since derailing Mike Richards. Andrew MacDonald, Bickell, J. Staal...the list goes on.

I hope this is a big wake up call for Dustin, all of that being said. But even as is, he's a great third-liner--the megafocus on Brown is because the cap is merciless, especially to vet teams, so you can't miss on contracts.

 

[no name]

This, this soooo much.

No one in their right mind disagrees that we don't want more out of him, but he's far from the worst contract in the NHL, even if he doesn't improve. Though again, all signs point to improvement, which is more than what can be said for other terrible contract. Love that the main board and others go "lol Brown worst contract in the league AINEC" when you have slugs like Clarkson--5.25 million for 7 years--scoring 4 points and being a REAL black hole of possession--and Dave Bolland--5.5 million for 5 years--scoring 5 points and hasn't really done anything positive for his teams since derailing Mike Richards. Andrew MacDonald, Bickell, J. Staal...the list goes on.

I hope this is a big wake up call for Dustin, all of that being said. But even as is, he's a great third-liner--the megafocus on Brown is because the cap is merciless, especially to vet teams, so you can't miss on contracts.

The fact that we have to debate if a contract is the worst in the nhl is damning to the Kings. The fact that every year we, the coaches and the media have to talk about "if this will motivate him" is damning to him. Those are two things you don't want out of your captain.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The fact that we have to debate if a contract is the worst in the nhl is damning to the Kings. The fact that every year we, the coaches and the media have to talk about "if this will motivate him" is damning to him. Those are two things you don't want out of your captain.

That's what I find so puzzling about those who blindly defend him. It's like trying to desperately find something positive to say about a terrible situation.

 

[The Tikkanen]

This, this soooo much.

No one in their right mind disagrees that we don't want more out of him, but he's far from the worst contract in the NHL, even if he doesn't improve. Though again, all signs point to improvement, which is more than what can be said for other terrible contract. Love that the main board and others go "lol Brown worst contract in the league AINEC" when you have slugs like Clarkson--5.25 million for 7 years--scoring 4 points and being a REAL black hole of possession--and Dave Bolland--5.5 million for 5 years--scoring 5 points and hasn't really done anything positive for his teams since derailing Mike Richards. Andrew MacDonald, Bickell, J. Staal...the list goes on.

I hope this is a big wake up call for Dustin, all of that being said. But even as is, he's a great third-liner--the megafocus on Brown is because the cap is merciless, especially to vet teams, so you can't miss on contracts.

What are these signs exactly? All his offensive stats other than hits and blocked shots are in steep decline. The big problem for Brown is the stat that has fallen the most is ice time and PP time thankfully. The coach appears to believe less in Brown than the fans, that will be Brown's biggest hurdle.

 

[Omni Owl]

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Damaged is definitely a good way to describe Brown. I'm also sure Sutter and Lombardi have a Nervous Breakdown every time Brown turns the puck over or lets off one of his soft parameter shots that are easily handled by opposing goalies.

That's a big reason why his shooting percentage continues to drop year after year.

 

[damacles1156]

What makes him a very good bottom six player?

Doesn't seem to me that he makes things difficult for opponents, all he does is take shots from the outside, doesn't drive the net, and his hits tend to come after the puck has exited the opponents' end of the ice.

He's become the winger version of Jarret Stoll, even going as far as replacing Stoll's stupid offensive zone penalties.

Production wise, Brown was the Kings best bottom six producer (outside of Pearson).

He also had plenty of hits last year, one leading to the Kings only playoff win.

Seriously Brown's speed/Physical play was not a concern from anyone last season.

It's his cap hit=production that concerns people. Brown is not Mike Richards level bad, anyone trying to paint that picture is simply wrong.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Most of Dustin Brown's points were earned when either Kopitar or Carter were on the ice. He barely did anything away from them and performed poorly in a checking role.

http://dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_...2016:R:99&Submit=Show+Line+Production&sent=go

 

[KingCanadain1976]

What makes him a very good bottom six player?

Doesn't seem to me that he makes things difficult for opponents, all he does is take shots from the outside, doesn't drive the net, and his hits tend to come after the puck has exited the opponents' end of the ice.

He's become the winger version of Jarret Stoll, even going as far as replacing Stoll's stupid offensive zone penalties.

Plays physical ,draws penalties and plays top pk time He does all this well Plays a good defensive game

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Most of Dustin Brown's points were earned when either Kopitar or Carter were on the ice. He barely did anything away from them and performed poorly in a checking role.

http://dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_...2016:R:99&Submit=Show+Line+Production&sent=go

...which is exactly the case with other 'bottom sixers' around the league that people try to point out when we talk about how bad our bottom six is. Truth is most of those bottom sixers earn their bigger points bouncing around the lineup, not in a true bottom six role.

What are these signs exactly? All his offensive stats other than hits and blocked shots are in steep decline. The big problem for Brown is the stat that has fallen the most is ice time and PP time thankfully. The coach appears to believe less in Brown than the fans, that will be Brown's biggest hurdle.

His production vs. possession is baffling. He's ultimately a 'better' player than he was earlier in his career, especially defensively, and though he's obviously not prime DB with regards to hits, no one watching game tape of him this year vs. like 2010 will be able to discern a different player. His shooting % is maddening (yes, some of it is very obvious why).

That's what I find so puzzling about those who blindly defend him. It's like trying to desperately find something positive to say about a terrible situation.

You can address me directly. Seriously. You and others need to knock it off with the side conversation that is very clearly directed towards an original post but meant to insult. This already got one thread closed. Gonna start handing out infractions for this ******** when it's done to others.

I'm very far from BLINDLY defending Brown. Only pointing out how comparing him to Mike Richards and other contracts around the league is folly. He's still an effective player, just very obviously not giving us what we need from his contract. You know, literally exactly what I said above.

 

[HookKing]

...which is exactly the case with other 'bottom sixers' around the league that people try to point out when we talk about how bad our bottom six is. Truth is most of those bottom sixers earn their bigger points bouncing around the lineup, not in a true bottom six role.



His production vs. possession is baffling. He's ultimately a 'better' player than he was earlier in his career, especially defensively, and though he's obviously not prime DB with regards to hits, no one watching game tape of him this year vs. like 2010 will be able to discern a different player. His shooting % is maddening (yes, some of it is very obvious why).



You can address me directly. Seriously. You and others need to knock it off with the side conversation that is very clearly directed towards an original post but meant to insult. This already got one thread closed. Gonna start handing out infractions for this ******** when it's done to others.

I'm very far from BLINDLY defending Brown. Only pointing out how comparing him to Mike Richards and other contracts around the league is folly. He's still an effective player, just very obviously not giving us what we need from his contract. You know, literally exactly what I said above.

Speaking of which, I wonder when was the last time he got his eyes checked. His puck-handling (never that great) has been worse than ever. It would not surprise me if he has vision problems.

 

[HookKing]

Most of Dustin Brown's points were earned when either Kopitar or Carter were on the ice. He barely did anything away from them and performed poorly in a checking role.

http://dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_...2016:R:99&Submit=Show+Line+Production&sent=go

Sounds like the whole team (or at least those that actually have points) to me.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Brown's shot percentage the last 2 seasons was 5.8 and 5, so this was not a one year dip. 3 years ago his shooting percentage was 7.7 so there has been a clear decline and the factor fans are betting on for a rebound is getting humiliated by the front office. This is a case of the typical fat and happy professional athlete. We have seen this so many times before but I guess people refuse to believe it in certain cases, that a guy like Brown, a supposed heart and soul player, is really a me first player that has consciously chosen to stay on the perimeter and not go to areas of the ice where he can be hit for self preservation. And that is the reason so many King fans want to see him kicked out of town.

 

[HookKing]

Brown's shot percentage the last 2 seasons was 5.8 and 5, so this was not a one year dip. 3 years ago his shooting percentage was 7.7 so there has been a clear decline and the factor fans are betting on for a rebound is getting humiliated by the front office. This is a case of the typical fat and happy professional athlete. We have seen this so many times before but I guess people refuse to believe it in certain cases, that a guy like Brown, a supposed heart and soul player, is really a me first player that has consciously chosen to stay on the perimeter and not go to areas of the ice where he can be hit for self preservation. And that is the reason so many King fans want to see him kicked out of town.

Fat and happy is probably the worst description one could think of for Brown.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Fat and happy is probably the worst description one could think of for Brown.

It's not a literal quote. You give somebody money, marriage, kids, nice stuff, suddenly going out and steam rolling opponents isn't at the top of the priority list. Your focus may be in other areas. Think Rick Vaughn in Major League. The Kings need Brown to be a bad ass. Brown needs Brown to be a bad ass.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

I don't know how Brown is an effective or "great" bottom six player when he's gotten soft as charmin the last few years. He doesn't hit anymore and isn't willing to stand in front of the net as much. Facts show that he does poorly outside of the top 6.

 

[no name]

You can address me directly. Seriously. You and others need to knock it off with the side conversation that is very clearly directed towards an original post but meant to insult. This already got one thread closed. Gonna start handing out infractions for this ******** when it's done to others.

Wow dude. Wow.
I'll address this directly. You are drawing attention to yourself. His post was valid. Many defend him when they shouldn't. Many call out players when they shouldn't. To make these kind of posts is very poor taste especially making disciplinary threats.

If you get your feelings hurt then that is only your issue. No rules are being broke with the exception of you masking profanity. Think about that for a second.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Wow dude. Wow.
I'll address this directly. You are drawing attention to yourself. His post was valid. Many defend him when they shouldn't. Many call out players when they shouldn't. To make these kind of posts is very poor taste especially making disciplinary threats.

If you get your feelings hurt then that is only your issue. No rules are being broke with the exception of you masking profanity. Think about that for a second.

I was about to respond to that as well, but thanks for doing so on my behalf.

I was going to say the same, I don't see how anyone was personally attacked in this discussion or the previous one.

This is a discussion forum, is it not? The forum guidelines seem to indicate that "attacking opinions" is valid, and we are doing so constructively. No personal attacks or name calling has taken place as far as I'm concerned.

I don't get how anyone would feel slighted, insulted or offended by pointing out truths about a declining hockey player and his diminishing abilities, especially when there are many, many numbers and trends that reveal this to be true.

And there is no guideline violation being made when I state that there are bloggers out there who blindly defend him while making some haphazard comments about us not knowing "the truth" (whatever the hell that means).

I guess as the old saying goes, the truth does hurt. I wish Brown was a better hockey player so we wouldn't be having this discussion about him, but unfortunately he isn't. And these discussions about Brown have been ongoing for years.

It isn't anything new with those of us who have been critical of his game the past couple of years. And he hasn't done anything to silence his detractors. Sadly, it's all on Dustin Brown and he has to figure out how to become a better player (if that's even possible at this stage in his career).

 

[Trolfoli]

I'd like to add Brown falls flat on his face way more then Richards.

Remember when people thought Brown was diving, but it was just that he skates like Happy Gilmore.