Value of: Dumba to TOR
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I believe this is the point where we each toss in a late pick to make it look even and that it was well thought through.
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I wish the mods would just get rid of the idiots who start threads like this. There's a handful of users that do nothing but start shit like this, and it does nothing but hurt the quality of this forum.
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HAHAHAHAHA you can't make this shit up. "Toronto doesn't have the assets they're willing to give up" "Toronto definitely has the assets, they just aren't willing to give them up"
As for the topic. Nylander+a little for dumba seems fair but neither side would do it
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I think Nylander is more or a less an equivalent value player for Dumba. Dumba might be worth more just because of him being a RD, and his ability to stay on the ice. He is not a Shattenkirk or Barrie(both really good offensive Dmen) type...much more robust.
Now if Nylander can play a legit top line NHL C then the conversation gets more interesting, but whether by circumstance or talent, Nylander appears to be destined to be a wing.
Oh, and Rielly has shown himself to be a better Dman, so far, than Dumba. It's not really that close. The only reason that MN wouldn't swap is because they don't need more LD, and Dumba is a perfect fit with the 24yo Brodin as their #1 D pair going well into the 2020's.
Now if Nylander can play a legit top line NHL C then the conversation gets more interesting, but whether by circumstance or talent, Nylander appears to be destined to be a wing.
Oh, and Rielly has shown himself to be a better Dman, so far, than Dumba. It's not really that close. The only reason that MN wouldn't swap is because they don't need more LD, and Dumba is a perfect fit with the 24yo Brodin as their #1 D pair going well into the 2020's.
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Willy is a legit C, but the problem is that he plays on a team with the deepest C depth in the NHL. Matthews, Tavares and Kadri! There is no way Willy is a 4th line C, so that is why is playing on the wing.
I am not knocking Dumba at all, he is a very good young D man, but Willy gets criminally underrated by all the Leaf haters on this forum.
I don't watch enough Leafs to comment on Nylander's ability to play C, but I'm pretty sure that he hasn't played enough C for anybody to say just how good he is or will be at that position. Completely understand why he won't play C in TOR...would be criminally stupid to play him there.
We have experience here in MN with trying to get a player to play C. Granlund came into the league with a lot of hype, but ended up being a mediocre #2C. When he was finally switched to wing, he became a legit #1W. MTL seems to be doing the same thing with Drouin, though the book is still open on him.
At this point it's near impossible to know just how suited Nylander is to being a C in the NHL.
Dumba has his faults, and his strengths. Not a perfect player, but will be interested to see how he does this year. He has improved every year. He has been very lucky to have been surrounded by some excellent dmen in Suter, Spurgeon, and Brodin, and a very good defensive culture in MN. Perfect way to groom a young dman.
I don't know that he would be a great fit in TOR. He might score a gazillion points and kill it on the PP, but he isn't exactly a "bedrock" guy in the d zone.
I think that TOR would be wiser to ask for Brodin(can play RD and LD, very solid on d, mobile and smart) and a Nino(bad year, but due for a rebound, and might kill it with your C's) for Nylander. Would literally kill two birds with one stone.
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Well, we have seen sample sizes last season with Willy at C when Matthews was hurt.
As a Leaf fan I would love to have Dumba in T.O. The kid is solid, and as everyone knows RD is at a premium these days in the NHL.
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And yet....you respond anyway! The solution is painfully obvious....do I need to actually state it?
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Actually, Dumba isn't "solid", unless you are referring to his physicality( he can hit, and even drop the gloves if need be). Dumba can be brilliant, and exciting, and awful, and clutch, and the goat...sometimes all in the same game.
Don't you already have that in Gardiner, and to a lesser extent, Rielly?
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Whoa whoa whoa...
Hang on a second! If the Leafs are willing to trade Hyman and make him the center piece of a deal for a blueliner, why would they settle for Dumba? If Hyman is available, you let the league know you're willing to move him and you wait for the offers to flow in. You'd be getting much better players than Dumba offered up if you made Hyman available.
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Don't believe that I ever responded to the idiot who started this thread. I did respond to a few posters who tried to save this thread with with actual competent thoughts, but I don't see how that could affect my opinion of the OP?
Why don't we just ask Minnesota to give him to us? You know, as a good will gesture....Hyman as the starting piece?
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